National League MVP -- Final Answer?

Good thought Xan, but need an exact definition of game-winning hit.

 

Indeed, that's a whole other debate.

What about this: from the 8th inning on, the hit that pushed across the winning run(s).

 

They no longer keep the stat, because, it was flawed. Used to be GWRBI.

Problem was, the definition was a hit that gave your team the lead it never relinguished.

Problem was, under that definition, a guy who hits an RBI single in the first to make the score 1-0 gets it a lot of the time, even if another guy hits a grand slam to make it 10-0 later in the game and the other team subsequently scores nine runs.

You're better served to look at how both hit in "close and late" situations.

 

GWRBI as Zeke mentioned was a useless stat.
By ZXan's def, it's much better but maybe it should be anytime from the 6th inning.... 4-4 in the 6th, 2-run HR and team wins 6-4. that's a GW hit to me

 

good point, zeker.

let's use your definition then. so, bucky, can you find those numbers?

 

somehow, somewhere, i think there's one thing that differentiates the players. let's try to figure it out, together. [sticking together is what good waffles do]

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=rolliji01&year=2007

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=hollima01&year=2007


I hate posting stats on here with cut and paste. Look down to special batting, late and close and such. "Clutch stats".

 

Holliday batted .309 in the 8th inning and .391 in the 9th inning of games this year
Rollins batted .323 in the 8th inning with 6 HRs and 17 RBIs, but hit ..245 in the 9th inning

Edit: Another interesting stat. Rollins hit 15 HRs with 2 strikes on him.

 

They used to have that stat on the back of Topps cards when I was a kid. GW-RBIs. Somebody in MLB (Jerome Holtzman, perhaps?) wanted to create the equivalent of GWG in soccer or hockey, but realized it didn't quite work the same. There are no unearned goals in hockey, you know. Somebody always gets credit.

But what happens when you have a game like this (http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1985/B07271NYN1985.htm), where the Mets scored 16 unearned runs in a 16-4 win over the Astros.

So I can't get you GWRBI, because that stat doesn't exist anymore. But Mayfly posted late-and-close stats for the two players.

Holliday's late-and-close stats were amazing after the All-Star break.

Pre-AS: 20 G, .229 BA (8/35), 4 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 3 BB, 8 K, .343 OBP, .343 SLG

Post-AS: 16 G, .435 BA (10/23), 8 R, 1 2B, 3 HR, 6 RBI, 1 BB, 6 K, .480 OBP, .870 SLG

 

Rollins late and close:

.255, 25 for 98, 3 homers (12 extra-base hits total), 12 ribs, 20 strikeouts.

Holliday late and close:

.295, 31 for 105, 7 homers (12 extra-base hits total), 19 RBI, 23 strikeouts.

 

RBIs are misleading due to the fact that they both hit in two separate parts of the line-up. Your lead-off hitters have a better chance of getting on base for a Holliday to drive them in, rather than the 8-pinch hitter for Rollins.

 

But late in the game, the batting cycle has circled 3-4-5 times, so players coming to the bat still have their opps to knock in runs, whether they're leadoff or hitting clean-up.