National League MVP -- Final Answer?

Holliday had three errors all year and a .990 fielding percentage. Just because he missed one play last night doesn't render him inept in left field.

 

He's not inept, but he doesn't get to any balls, either. Last night was a rare miscue, yes. Normally, the balls he gets to, he plays them well. But he doesn't cover ground very well. Overall, he's not a very good outfielder.

 

Welcome back Simon.

Who do you like in the AL Cy Young?

How about tomorrow night's ALDS game between the Sox and Angels? Who do you like there?

 

The point was making a judgement on one play is ridiculous. I guess that one escaped you.

 

Well that didnt take long.

 

I think Indians, Angels, Phillies and Cubs are the final four.... though and all-pre-1994-Eastern-Division Final Four of Phils, Cubs, Red Sox and Yankees would be mighty fine.

And, since Beckett isn't going on the DL before tomorrow, I would favor the Sox in Game 1, slightly.

 

He's a Greg Luzinski clone out there. That apparently escaped you.

How anyone can consider his accomplishment commensurate with Rollins' is quite humorous.

And, he still hasn't touched home plate.

 

Remember, Simon, a month ago you were telling us there was no choice but Jose Reyes, that Rollins wasn't even close.

 

Yep.

That was a month ago.

How many games did your mets urinate away since then?

Grow the fuck up, Stegosaurus.

 

Welcome back douchebag!

Good to know you came back even dumber than when you left.

 

Mayfly, like I said, I would not have a problem if Rollins won, but my choice would be Holliday because I think he had by far the best all-around numbers and he was instrumental on a team that contended.

I say when picking an MVP you start off by looking at the guy who had the best pure stats, then adjust based on what he meant to his team, not the other way around. If Holliday and Rollins had the exact same numbers, but the Rockies finished 4th, it would be J-Roll, hands down.

I just don't see an argument for J-Roll that erases the gap in their stats. Yes, he's a good shortstop and he had a lot of stolen bases and he's a leader yada yada yada. That's why he's 2nd instead of about 6th, where he'd be based on his other numbers.

Anyway, I have to keep going back to this... 27 of the last 29 MVPs have been guys who hit in the middle of the lineup. Whether you agree or not, that's the way voters view the MVP.

 

For those who are harping on defense as Rollins' winning factor

Holliday is 1st among qualified LF in zone range in the NL, meaning he gets to more balls in his "area" than any other LF in the NL, he also only made three errors and is second in fielding percentage...range factor is not as strong but that depends on your pitchers more than anything else, not your fielding capability...it is as a flawed stat as GWRBI (almost) look more at Zone Range and errors to truly grade someone's D, For those who like Range Factor, Holiday is sixth (same as Rollins)

Sortable Fielding:
NAME GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR
Matt Holliday, Col 157 157 1384.2 306 296 7 3 0 .990 1.97 .913
Eric Byrnes, Ari 123 113 970.0 252 239 9 4 0 .984 2.30 .911
Geoff Jenkins, Mil 121 109 974.2 252 242 7 3 2 .988 2.30 .889
Alfonso Soriano, ChC 122 122 1064.0 269 244 19 6 4 .978 2.22 .881
Luis Gonzalez, LA 127 126 996.0 197 192 4 1 0 .995 1.77 .874
Adam Dunn, Cin 144 142 1190.2 254 244 4 6 0 .976 1.88 .846
Josh Willingham, Fla 137 137 1176.1 223 211 9 3 0 .987 1.68 .828
Jason Bay, Pit 142 142 1237.0 286 265 13 8 3 .972 2.02 .828
Barry Bonds, SF 110 110 842.0 168 162 2 4 0 .976 1.75 .813
Pat Burrell, Phi 138 138 1028.1 194 176 8 10 2 .948 1.61 .813
Carlos Lee, Hou 157 157 1369.1 273 261 8 4 2 .985 1.77 .787