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National League MVP -- Final Answer?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by PhilaYank36, Sep 29, 2007.

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This is going to be a tough one: who's the MVP in this league?

  1. Matt Holliday, OF (COL)

    16 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Jimmy Rollins, SS (PHI)

    13 vote(s)
    40.6%
  3. Both?????

    3 vote(s)
    9.4%
  1. mike311gd

    mike311gd Active Member

    I don't know how Rollins won't win this award.

    He's got my vote -- even though it hurt to click that bubble.
     
  2. AgatePage

    AgatePage Active Member

    i gotta vote for holliday: a .300 hitter on the road for a franchise that constantly (and many times, rightly) catches flak for being anemic on the road, a staggering september to lead his team's stampede to the playoff chase. and the numbers about 200+ hits and 50+ doubles is as impressive to me as rollins 20x4 season.
     
  3. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    There's is no doubt the final answer is Jimmy Rollins (even if I hate that son of a bitch).
     
  4. mike311gd

    mike311gd Active Member

    To be fair, Rollins had a 30-homer, 30-steal, 30-double, 20-triple season -- the only player to ever do that.
     
  5. Hackwilson191

    Hackwilson191 Member

    I voted for Matt Holiday the NL leader in Runs Created , while Rollins was 8th and as for RC/27 outs ..Holliday is 5th in that category...Rollins is 21st

    If you like OPS it is Holiday 1.012, Rollins .875

    Both guys are responsible for where their teams are at but Holliday had a little less help than Rollins in lineup

    Holliday had only one other player in the top-20 in RC -Todd Helton....Meanwhile Rollins had 3 in the top 13- Utley, Howard and Rowand. Pat Burrell was in the top 30 as well ,but if you go that far down it starts to ruin my argument as Hawpe, Tulowitzki and Atkins appear...


    If you want conventional stats a) get with it or b) Holliday won the batting title, was fourth in HR, third in runs scored and fell one RBI short of that title too

    While Rollins was first in runs and 5th in SB and first in triples...nothing else in the top-10

    Rollins also had a .344 OBP ...just not very impressive...and that is the final reason I voted Holliday, just because the guy batted lead off with Utley, Burrell, Howard, Rowand hitting behind him did he score so many runs...if he actually took a walk he might have scored 160 or more

    If you want leadership you think Rollins is really that much more than Holliday its all speculative but the Rockies are the youngest team in baseball and Holliday, who was on Team USA, is its biggest start and best "veteran"

    Rollins had a nice combo that has not been done before, but does it make him more valuable? I don't think so and I don't think it is as close as most people here do...

    Holliday easily for me
     
  6. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Interesting argument, Hack, but partially flawed by the Coors Field factor. Holliday's splits aren't as outrageous as Bichette's or Helton's used to be, but they're still pretty stacked.

    The humidor hasn't diluted the effect. Rollins, who plays in the smallest bandbox in the league, still manages to hit just as well on the road as he does at CBP. Holliday, meanwhile, hits 75 points lower, has a 240-point drop in slugging and reaches base nearly 20 percent less of the time when he's away from Coors Field.

    I think Rollins' defense also gives him an edge -- he plays a much more demanding position and is in the running with Tulowitzki and Vizquel for the NL Gold Glove. Holliday's range factor is one of the worst in the league, although his home park means he has to play deeper and can't get to as many balls.

    Holliday's numbers look pretty and, you're right, he doesn't have much help. But Rollins is my MVP.
     
  7. boots

    boots New Member

    I don't know what the postseason will bring but one thing is for sure, Jimmy Rollins brought his "A" game to the regular season. He was consistent. He played well. His team won. He's got my MVP vote and should win it fairly easy.
    That will make it two years in a row that a Phillie has won it. Very impressive.
     
  8. In Cold Blood

    In Cold Blood Member

    The coors field factor really hurts Holliday in my eyes. Sure, he has monster stats. But everybody on that team puts up big numbers. Hawpe. Atkins. Tulowitzki. Even Helton drove in close to 90 runs.

    Rollins doesn't have the OBP people expect of a leadoff man. But he had a ton of extra-base hits, plays top-notch defense, scored a shit ton of runs, and sparked that team to the NL East title. He called it before the season started, and they delivered.
     
  9. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    In the end (& I haven't read this), I have to go:

    Holliday
    Rollins
    Wright
     
  10. hockeybeat

    hockeybeat Guest

    I can't decide between Holliday and Rollins.
     
  11. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Same here. So long as one of them wins, though, I'm happy with that.
     
  12. Dangerous_K

    Dangerous_K Active Member

    Even Holliday's road split beats out Rollins at home. Holliday's hitting .301 on the road, Rollins hit .300 at home. Holliday hit 55 RBI on the road, Rollins hit 47 at home. There's no question for me that it's Holliday's award.
     
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