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NCAA investigating Cam Newton

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Inky_Wretch, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    What are the penalties for violating FERPA, Mr. Admin? Enrollment status is not protected under FERPA, unless you put a block in.

    Writing that someone could get jail time for violating FERPA is hyperbole.
     
  2. zebracoy

    zebracoy Guest

    Oh, I'm entirely aware of that. I'm not arguing at all whether or not they should or can be released. I just find it interesting that there's never a case where a kid has good grades, and they're somehow the subject of a dispute. Not that they should be, really, but you never hear of a case where someone objects when good grades are revealed.
     
  3. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Big time athletics isn't a necessity. It's something nice to have, if you're the university, the students who cheer for them, and the alum fan-bois. And it generates a heckuva lot of money in both ticket sales and alumni donations.

    But it's not an absolute necessity to have.





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    I agree. People may believe that big time sports is a financial necessity but that is just making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    A university/college is supposed to be about providing an education to its students. We as a society need to get back to that core belief and not rationalize the reasons why that belief has been lost.

    Grass roots, we need to educate our kids not to accept anything less. USC a D-2 program/Patriot League caliber program? Why not? Let's tell the kids now that this charade is unacceptable and needs to be changed. Cheating, just because someone else is doing it, is unacceptable. AAU types/enabler types? Unacceptable. Danny Manning/Ed Manning deals? Unacceptable. I'm proud that my boys are saying that the BCS is a fraud. That's a tiny step but that's what its going to take and we collectively need to be willing to take the time and effort to make those steps.
     
  4. Layman

    Layman Well-Known Member

    Depends on the severity of the breach, which I'm sure (from your response) you already know. Yes, enrollment information (I didn't say status) is protected....but "directory" information (which would cover enrollment "status") is not.

    Penalties:

    * Dismissal
    * Lawsuit
    * Loss of Federal funding
    * Conviction of a misdemeanor under the Public Information Act
    o Confinement in jail not to exceed 6 months, or
    o Fine not to exceed $1,000, or
    o Both


    It may be hyperbole, but i know of at least on VP of Financial Aid that did do jail time. Wasn't completely based on a FERPA breach, it had more to do with a fraud (involving FAFSA fraud) that they couldn't completely make "stick", and used the FERPA breach (and misdemeanor) as part of sending them away.

    Unfortunately, this was also the first person to give me a job in Enrollment Management :)
     
  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    There is no individual criminal penalty at the federal level, and the Supremes have ruled that individuals cannot sue for damages under FERPA. In some states there can be criminal liability. On the other hand, universities can have their federal funding reduced/withdrawn for failing to abide by FERPA. And the bureaucratic nightmare that would follow such a finding is what would make a deliberate FERPA violation a fire-able offense.
     
  6. Layman

    Layman Well-Known Member

    That's a good clarification, Doc. In the case I was talking about, the VP took a state (not federal) charge.
     
  7. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    That's the way people need to see it, what's the source? Not the conclusion. 4th party gossip, that's the foundation for this controversy. Shame on everyone who chose to believe this as the truth. Now it may be the truth, but should that be the sole basis for the conclusion that Cam Newton sold himself to the highest bidder? No.
     
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  8. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    That's a good piece. You've got to get a man, the right way. And I've already said here that Newton
    would be a deserving Heisman winner.

    The stench remains, and I reserve the right to remain disgusted at "plausible deniability" dodges
    which have protected innumerable OC figures and dirtbag politicians, only forever.
     
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  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Unless the radio denial is the lie.
     
  10. armageddon

    armageddon Active Member

    Gregg needs to get out more -- please don't threaten me with physical violence Gregg.

    I've had good sources tell me great stuff because they've trusted me and the info has turned out to be accurate.

    Then the same sources have gone on the record with my competition denying the reports/blasting me, etc.,

    There is a damn good chance Bond was not being honest when he did the radio interview. I've seen this scenario play out many, many times.
     
  11. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Don't most schools make athletes sign a blanket release concerning publicizing their grades for all-academic teams and the like?
     
  12. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    While this is all true, it is worth noting that no university has ever lost any funding for a FERPA violation.

    The Department of Education has only brought one enforcement action against a university (Miami of Ohio) in FERPA's entire existence, and it was only because Miami was caught in a weird spot where the Ohio Supreme Court said it had to release records under the Ohio public records law and the Department of Education said the records were covered by FERPA. So they brought an enforcement action to get into federal court so they could get a federal judge to clarify the problem.
     
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