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new Leonard-Hagler book

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by henryhenry, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Here it is:
    http://www.amazon.com/Four-Kings-Leonard-Hagler-Hearns/dp/1590131622/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221367634&sr=8-1
     
  2. Rumpleforeskin

    Rumpleforeskin Active Member

    Should be a good read, but they don't deserve the moniker.
     
  3. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Duran and Hearns are going to be in Manchester, N.H. Wednesday. Hearns' son is fighting on the show.
    I'm going.
     
  4. CentralIllinoisan

    CentralIllinoisan Active Member

    My dad is a huge fight fan. Just ordered this book; Christmas gift!
     
  5. henryhenry

    henryhenry Member

    leonard seduced you, hence the title. he seduced hagler and the judges as well. but if it had been fought by hagler and joe shmoe hagler would have won the decision. hagler's crime was that he didn't dominate like a 3-1 favorite should. leonard won by not losing.

    and to set the record straight, according to 'Sorcery", Hagler was orthodox for the first two rounds, not four.
     
  6. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty Guest

    ray beat hagler. get over it. he also won the best fight i ever watched. it took place in montreal in 1980 against duran.
     
  7. friend of the friendless

    friend of the friendless Active Member

    Mr Henry,

    You don't win rounds by looking mean. Otherwise Hagler would never have lost a round in his career.

    You don't lose rounds for getting on your bicycle with your eyes open wide. Otherwise Leonard would have lost as many as he won (though he still would have won Hearns I).

    You probably score unanimous decisions for the bull over the matador each time out.

    I hate Leonard, I've looked for a way that Hagler deserved to win, but Leonard won. More decisively each time I watched it. Which was at least six times.

    YD&OHS, etc
     
  8. Huggy

    Huggy Well-Known Member

    It didn't rival the heavyweight divison in the 70s but that was a great time for boxing. Four stud fighers who all fought each other. Add in other good fighters like Mugabi, Moore, Benitez (an all-time great at 140) and it was a very deep field.

    Make no mistake, in the 70s and into his first fight with Leonard, Duran was a fucking icon. The best lightweight who ever lived, nobody else is remotely close. Probably the only guy at the time who could match Ali's status, among boxing fans anyway. I interviewed him 10 years ago and he still looked like he could go a few rounds.

    Oh yeah, Leonard's "draw" against Hearns in their rematch, was an infinitely worse decision than his win against Hagler.
     
  9. Pancamo

    Pancamo Active Member

    Next time you watch the fight, turn the sound off and see how you would score it. Ray fought a fight for an Olympic judge to love. Quick punches with no sting. I always thought MMH should have said f-it, I am going to stand in this corner until this punk wants fight.
     
  10. BYH

    BYH Active Member

    Odds the dads come out of retirement on the undercard: 5/2.
     
  11. friend of the friendless

    friend of the friendless Active Member

    Mr P,

    The first time I watched it -- closed circuit -- I couldn't hear anything. I was disappointed Hagler lost. But he did. Leonard hit him ... never hurt him, but he did hit him. Hagler went whole rounds without getting off. A deaf guy wouldn't think differently.

    YD&OHS, etc
     
  12. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    The only time I watched the fight was the night it happened, on closed circuit in the Hartford Civic Center. Would I score it differently if I saw it again? Maybe, but the judges only got to see it once so I think that doesn't really matter.
    The thing is every time I talk to somebody who feels Hagler won the fight, they say "Hagler was the aggressor" or "The challenger has to take the title from the champion."
    The questions I have yet to hear any one of those people answer is how many rounds did Hagler win, which rounds did he win and why?
    Fans see a 12-round fight. Judges see 12 one-round fights.
     
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