NFL MVP - Brees or Rodgers?

I wouldn't think weather would be near the factor of the strength of schedule listed above, or quality of defenses.

Wind is most likely to be the only meaningful weather factor. But my experience is that in the half where the wind is at the QB's back, he can do some real damage.

 

Drew Brees played college football at Purdue.
That's not exactly in the tropics.
The Saints also have many skill players who played in the cold in college (Moore, colston, Ivory, Henderson, etc.)

 

Your experience? You are a former NFL quarterback who has played in extreme wind conditions?

Here's the thing: If one quarterback had a 71 percent completion percentage and the other had 65 percent, and if one quarterback had pristine conditions in almost all of his games and the other was regularly dealing with things like wind, snow, rain, cold, receivers slipping on over-watered field, the decision to wear gloves or not, a receiver losing a ball in the sun, or any of a dozen other things that can come into play outdoors, it's pretty likely that the difference in completion percentage can be attributed to any combination of factors.

It does not mean playing quarterback outdoors is the most difficult physical challenge mankind has ever faced. But it does make a difference. It's like hitting at Fenway vs. hitting at Comerica Park.

 

Well, the fallacy here is that weather was offered off-hand as a reason why Brady's number's, generally inferior to Brees', should be considered better.

Then, upon further review, it turns out there weren't any bad weather games for the Patriots. Turns out that the Saints played a tougher schedule. Turns out the NFL average for passing yards inside vs. outside was about the same (if that information isn't outdated).

So yeah, that line of thought deserves a healthy dose of "Really?"

 

Marino played at Pitt. Fouts played at Oregon. Moon played at Washington.

Where someone played college does not relate to where they prepare at and play a large percentage of their games during a regular season.

 

This guy was born in a crossfire hurricane. I still wouldn't trust him to QB my team in a poor weather environment.

 

I didn't see the part about passing yards inside vs. outside being the same, but that could have something to do with most of the dome teams (Rams, Cardinals, Colts) sucking and bringing those averages down.

The weather doesn't have to be extreme to play a role. Brady's stats were not "generally inferior" to Brees, they were pretty much exactly the same except for Brees throwing 50 more times and getting a few more bullshit drives and touchdowns like those two against the Colts and the one against the Falcons. The only noticeable difference is the five points in completion percentage -- basically one Brady miss and one Brees completion per game. Should be pretty easy to see that conditions of any kind would play a role there.

Then again, it's even more of a feather in Brees' cap because of the adjustments he must face when going outdoors, as opposed to Brady who gets to play outdoors all the time. Isn't that how your argument went, even while you simultaneously argue that there's no difference between inside and outside anyway?

 

This argument has gone past stupid. I can't believe there's anyone on earth who doesn't think all three of the quarterbacks being discussed wouldn't excel if they all switched their three teams each season. I believe Rodgers had marginally the best year of the three, but holy hell, why discriminate between obvious Hall of Fame level performances?
I will laugh my ass off if the Saints beat the Packers in Green Bay, however.

 

This is the voice of reason. I shall take heed and end my participation.

 

You've got 3 1/2 dome teams in the playoffs - Atlanta, New Orleans, Detroit and sometimes Houston (I'd count Houston because of the weather is remotely not ideal, they'll close the roof).

So you have some bad teams (with bad defense, which should help the visitor) and some very good teams.

 

Is that what you really got out of the argument?

Nobody is saying Brees can't play outside. The argument was that playing indoors would boost ANY QB's stats. What is so controversial about that?

 

Brees is the MVP