NFL MVP

If you don't count his biggest play, he's not as good.

#connotation

 

Not always. Go back in the thread, or just go on baseball-reference and look up Mickey Mantle, AL MVP in 1962. I would put either Rodgers or Ryan ahead of Brady, but they're the only three candidates with a chance.

 

I didn't say not as good. That is two of you resorting to distorting my statement. If it was so wrong, why do you need to alter it to make your point? I said he hasn't been much of a factor in the passing game outside of that one play. Even with that one play, he hasn't been as good as Bell in the passing game, something that is clearly demonstrated by the numbers and by the way the Cowboys use him.

Is part of that keeping some pressure off him as he learns the game and maybe limiting the beating he takes? Both are possible, but we're judging players on what they have done, not what they can do.

 

30 catches for 268 yards wouldn't be "limited" or "not much of a factor" either. At least not as a denotation. I don't know about connotation, I'll leave that to your obsession with useless semantics.

 

But he MADE that play. What he did "outside of that one play" could not possibly be more irrelevant.

Right. And we're (apparently) doing that by discounting the best thing they have done.

 

Elliott: 39 targets, 31 receptions, 351 yards
Bell: 90 targets, 72 receptions, 601 yards
Johnson: 109 targets, 73 receptions, 800 yards
Murray: 62 targets, 50 receptions, 361 yards

 

I didn't discount it. I said he's made one big play in the passing game this year, and it really was a spectacular, game-changing play. My statement was accurate and honest and even you know it.

 

Actually, it is and you are the one obsessing over semantics in this discussion because you want a fight and you know you lose badly if you dispute my overall point that Bell is a much bigger factor in the passing game.

That leads back to the more relevant discussion, that Elliott isn't the MVP. A running back with that much offensive talent around him shouldn't beat out Brady or Rodgers, not when he isn't even clearly the best candidate among the running backs.

 

A few more people seem to think Brady is MVP.

 

That wasn't your point, dingus.

 

Yes, it was, stalker boy.

 

Here is my post on the thread before the one you have been attacking, LTL. Did you not bother to read that one or did you just not understand my point?

Could I have been more clear to focus on Bell's superior involvement in the passing game on all downs or instances of the Cowboys taking Elliott off the field in two-minute drills and third downs? Yes. I'll admit I could have been more precise in my word choice. Happy?