NFL offseason thread

Steak Snabler · Feb 27, 2013

JosephC.Myers said:

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

Is Smith that much of an upgrade for Kansas City?
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He was the third-highest-rated passer in the NFL at the time of his injury/benching. In his last two seasons he has thrown for 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. And he won a playoff game in legendary fashion. I would say that is an enormous upgrade over the vaunted Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn tandem, yes.

How he does outside the Harbaugh Cocoon is a huge question. And there was always the discussion about whether the 49ers really were title contenders with him. But I don't think anyone can argue that he isn't a full-fledged and very serviceable NFL starter somewhere, which makes him much more than what the Chiefs have now.

A tidbit that I always find interesting: It's hard to believe since he is entering his ninth NFL season, but Smith right now is just shy of his 29th birthday. He is younger than Brandon Weeden.
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I remember when Weeden was playing for the Columbus Catfish in the Dodgers' system back in the early-2000's.
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Aaron Rodgers is also younger than Brandon Weeden, by almost two months.

joe king · Feb 27, 2013

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

Is Smith that much of an upgrade for Kansas City?
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He was the third-highest-rated passer in the NFL at the time of his injury/benching. In his last two seasons he has thrown for 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. And he won a playoff game in legendary fashion. I would say that is an enormous upgrade over the vaunted Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn tandem, yes.

How he does outside the Harbaugh Cocoon is a huge question. And there was always the discussion about whether the 49ers really were title contenders with him. But I don't think anyone can argue that he isn't a full-fledged and very serviceable NFL starter somewhere, which makes him much more than what the Chiefs have now.

A tidbit that I always find interesting: It's hard to believe since he is entering his ninth NFL season, but Smith right now is just shy of his 29th birthday. He is younger than Brandon Weeden.
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He was also tied for third in the league this season at 8.0 yards per passing attempt. Tied with Peyton Manning and ahead of Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Tom Brady.

joe king · Feb 27, 2013

Double Down said:

Harbaugh offered to coach Alex Smith remotely, which would continue to make him a productive player, but Bay Area companies do not allow this, and so the Cheifs had to lower their offer.
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Can Harbaugh build a nursery on site to keep an eye on Alex?

Boom_70 · Feb 27, 2013

joe king said:

Double Down said:

Harbaugh offered to coach Alex Smith remotely, which would continue to make him a productive player, but Bay Area companies do not allow this, and so the Cheifs had to lower their offer.
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Can Harbaugh build a nursery on site to keep an eye on Alex?
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Harbaugh is so happy to get rid of Smith that he'll drive him to Kansas City.

Armchair_QB · Feb 27, 2013

qtlaw said:

How is it that a guy like Mangus Hunt isn't rated higher:

Hunt is a fast-rising prospect who measured in at 6-8, 277 pounds, and showed strength (38 reps at 225 pounds) and speed (4.6) at the combine.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130227/nfl-mock-draft-2/#ixzz2M7sO43E8

Perhaps he's just a workout wonder? My god what a speciman.
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Might have more to do with the fact that he's from Estonia and didn't start playing football until 2009.

He was a world junior record holder in the discus and moved to Dallas in 2007 to train with SMU's track coach. The only reason he even tried football was because SMU dropped it's men's track program.

Boom_70 · Feb 27, 2013

Armchair_QB said:

qtlaw said:

How is it that a guy like Mangus Hunt isn't rated higher:

Hunt is a fast-rising prospect who measured in at 6-8, 277 pounds, and showed strength (38 reps at 225 pounds) and speed (4.6) at the combine.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130227/nfl-mock-draft-2/#ixzz2M7sO43E8

Perhaps he's just a workout wonder? My god what a speciman.
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Might have more to do with the fact that he's from Estonia and didn't start playing football until 2009.

He was a world junior record holder in the discus and moved to Dallas in 2007 to train with SMU's track coach. The only reason he even tried football was because SMU dropped it's men's track program.
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Another guy who put up some impressive numbers was Cornelius Washington LB from Georgia - ran a 4.55 40 at 268 LBS. Looked like a bigger version of James Harrison.

Georgia had 3 big time LB's that all seemed to be head cases.

BurnsWhenIPee · Feb 27, 2013

Chiefs didn't really have any choice. Their fan base would have gone nuclear if they tried to go with Cassel for another year, there's no marquee free agents they could have gone after, and the draft class is a pretty poor one for ready-made quarterbacks.

Smith may not be the answer, but is he going to do worse than Cassel would have done this season?

qtlaw · Feb 27, 2013

BurnsWhenIPee said:

Chiefs didn't really have any choice. Their fan base would have gone nuclear if they tried to go with Cassel for another year, there's no marquee free agents they could have gone after, and the draft class is a pretty poor one for ready-made quarterbacks.

Smith may not be the answer, but is he going to do worse than Cassel would have done this season?
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Whatever the price in draft picks, I agree that if the Chiefs had gone another year with Cassel (at $10M/yr!!) they might have started tarping the seats at Arrowhead. Well the Chiefs can go the Joekel/Smith (like Tomlinson/Brees) route; wait that's the 2nd rounder the Niners got (yes!), sorry. Well Montana was a 3rd rounder, so maybe Joekel/Nassib.

93Devil · Feb 27, 2013

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

Is Smith that much of an upgrade for Kansas City?
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He was the third-highest-rated passer in the NFL at the time of his injury/benching. In his last two seasons he has thrown for 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. And he won a playoff game in legendary fashion. I would say that is an enormous upgrade over the vaunted Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn tandem, yes.

How he does outside the Harbaugh Cocoon is a huge question. And there was always the discussion about whether the 49ers really were title contenders with him. But I don't think anyone can argue that he isn't a full-fledged and very serviceable NFL starter somewhere, which makes him much more than what the Chiefs have now.

A tidbit that I always find interesting: It's hard to believe since he is entering his ninth NFL season, but Smith right now is just shy of his 29th birthday. He is younger than Brandon Weeden.
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Checking down for a five yard completion on third and nine is a great way to improve passer rating.

Cassel had a 27/7 line only a few years ago. I'm not saying he is the second coming, but twisting numbers can make anyone look decent.

Captain Obvious · Feb 27, 2013

One team apparently asked Colorado tight end questions about his sexual orientation.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8995947/nfl-looks-combine-sex-orientation-question

DanOregon · Feb 27, 2013

I'd want to know how a player would fit into a locker room, his personality, how much his home life might impact his play. How many people they may end up supporting with their paycheck.
Can you ask if they have guns?

LongTimeListener · Feb 27, 2013

93Devil said:

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

Is Smith that much of an upgrade for Kansas City?
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He was the third-highest-rated passer in the NFL at the time of his injury/benching. In his last two seasons he has thrown for 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. And he won a playoff game in legendary fashion. I would say that is an enormous upgrade over the vaunted Matt Cassel/Brady Quinn tandem, yes.

How he does outside the Harbaugh Cocoon is a huge question. And there was always the discussion about whether the 49ers really were title contenders with him. But I don't think anyone can argue that he isn't a full-fledged and very serviceable NFL starter somewhere, which makes him much more than what the Chiefs have now.

A tidbit that I always find interesting: It's hard to believe since he is entering his ninth NFL season, but Smith right now is just shy of his 29th birthday. He is younger than Brandon Weeden.
Click to expand...

Checking down for a five yard completion on third and nine is a great way to improve passer rating.

Cassel had a 27/7 line only a few years ago. I'm not saying he is the second coming, but twisting numbers can make anyone look decent.
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Cassel was good a few years ago. Now he isn't. That happens a lot. There is no twisting involved there, only the changes in a player over a couple years' time.

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