NFL Playoff Thread

93Devil · Jan 16, 2012

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

BYH said:

93Devil said:

What drives me nuts about today's NFL is if you asked people who the best teams of the last 10 years were, they would rattle off the Patriots, Saints and Colts, and in my opinion, this is not even close.

The Patriots are in the conversation for what they did pre-Moss - when they had a defense and they ran the ball.

The Saints won a Super Bowl, but were thumped out of the playoffs the next two seasons in the first round. Green Bay won one, but then were chased out of the playoffs in the first round the next season. The Colts won their Super Bowl and have been 2-4 in the post season since then.

So since winning their Super Bowls, the Colts, Saints and Packers are a combined 2-7 in the playoffs. Add New England since their last Super Bowl win, and that number turns into 7-13.

But Pittsburgh is 4-3 with two Super Bowl appearances and one more SB win, and Eli Manning and the Giants are 2-1 after the GMen and Eli won their Super Bowl.

Hopefully people will stop being hypnotized by these teams dinking and dunking 60 times a game and then thinking this is a great team with a great offense. Doing it once is great, but to be considered a great team, you need to have more than one successful playoff run.
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IllMil alluded to this, but none of the last six Super Bowl champs have gotten out of the second round. Maybe the inability of the Packers, Saints and Colts to repeat has less to do with their weaknesses and more with the fact it's damn near impossible to repeat in the NFL, regardless of the construction of your team, and only slightly less difficult to win twice with the same core.

Since the dawn of free agency, five teams have won multiple titles in a five-year span, and the Cowboys did it at the very beginning of that era. Winning it all takes a lot out of a team. Ray Lewis is a piece of shit scumbag, but his quote about doing all you can to just get to the NFL semifinals is a telling one. And he's still two wins shy of the ultimate goal.

So how much does it take out of a team, mentally and physically, to win a Super Bowl? Their offseasons are a month-and-a-half shorter, so even if they don't mimic the 1986 Giants and destroy the rubber chicken circuit, there is less time to recover for the next season. That has an effect at some point, and usually the bill comes due the following January. I would be curious to see the pre-Nov. 1 records for defending SB champs and the post-Nov. 1 records. I bet you there's a giant disparity, though I may just have the 2011 Packers and 2008 Giants on my mind.
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Pittsburgh beat the Cardinals and came back the next season to lose the Super Bowl to the Packers.
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You might want to tell the Saints and Colts they played for nothing, then.
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No, but I would place the Ravens ahead of them. Shit, Baltimore might be the third-best franchise since 2000, but they are never discussed, and that is what ticks me off about today's NFL.

EDIT: I have to put Baltimore behind the Pats, Steelers and Colts.

LongTimeListener · Jan 16, 2012

My point is that Pittsburgh had a year off between its last two Super Bowl appearances. That's when the Saints and Colts played.

BYH · Jan 16, 2012

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

BYH said:

93Devil said:

What drives me nuts about today's NFL is if you asked people who the best teams of the last 10 years were, they would rattle off the Patriots, Saints and Colts, and in my opinion, this is not even close.

The Patriots are in the conversation for what they did pre-Moss - when they had a defense and they ran the ball.

The Saints won a Super Bowl, but were thumped out of the playoffs the next two seasons in the first round. Green Bay won one, but then were chased out of the playoffs in the first round the next season. The Colts won their Super Bowl and have been 2-4 in the post season since then.

So since winning their Super Bowls, the Colts, Saints and Packers are a combined 2-7 in the playoffs. Add New England since their last Super Bowl win, and that number turns into 7-13.

But Pittsburgh is 4-3 with two Super Bowl appearances and one more SB win, and Eli Manning and the Giants are 2-1 after the GMen and Eli won their Super Bowl.

Hopefully people will stop being hypnotized by these teams dinking and dunking 60 times a game and then thinking this is a great team with a great offense. Doing it once is great, but to be considered a great team, you need to have more than one successful playoff run.
Click to expand...

IllMil alluded to this, but none of the last six Super Bowl champs have gotten out of the second round. Maybe the inability of the Packers, Saints and Colts to repeat has less to do with their weaknesses and more with the fact it's damn near impossible to repeat in the NFL, regardless of the construction of your team, and only slightly less difficult to win twice with the same core.

Since the dawn of free agency, five teams have won multiple titles in a five-year span, and the Cowboys did it at the very beginning of that era. Winning it all takes a lot out of a team. Ray Lewis is a piece of shit scumbag, but his quote about doing all you can to just get to the NFL semifinals is a telling one. And he's still two wins shy of the ultimate goal.

So how much does it take out of a team, mentally and physically, to win a Super Bowl? Their offseasons are a month-and-a-half shorter, so even if they don't mimic the 1986 Giants and destroy the rubber chicken circuit, there is less time to recover for the next season. That has an effect at some point, and usually the bill comes due the following January. I would be curious to see the pre-Nov. 1 records for defending SB champs and the post-Nov. 1 records. I bet you there's a giant disparity, though I may just have the 2011 Packers and 2008 Giants on my mind.
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Pittsburgh beat the Cardinals and came back the next season to lose the Super Bowl to the Packers.
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You might want to tell the Saints and Colts they played for nothing, then.
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THIS was hilarious.

What happened to the Saints and Colts? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SAINTS AND COLTS?!

Uncle.Ruckus · Jan 16, 2012

Then why did I have the bowl, Bart? Why did I have the bowl?

93Devil · Jan 16, 2012

I just hate the way the NFL has moved toward a flag football league, when it seems pretty obvious that when you loose a consistent well rounded team (run/pass/defend) your chance for playoff success falls. But these well rounded teams don't make for cool highlights, I guess.

BYH · Jan 16, 2012

The Saints and Colts played in the Super Bowl following the 2009 season. EXCEPT THE GAME NEVER HAPPENED.

In this universe, Drew Brees has no birthmark and a full head of hair.

Uncle.Ruckus · Jan 16, 2012

And Tebow sleeps on top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies.

93Devil · Jan 16, 2012

BYH said:

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

BYH said:

93Devil said:

What drives me nuts about today's NFL is if you asked people who the best teams of the last 10 years were, they would rattle off the Patriots, Saints and Colts, and in my opinion, this is not even close.

The Patriots are in the conversation for what they did pre-Moss - when they had a defense and they ran the ball.

The Saints won a Super Bowl, but were thumped out of the playoffs the next two seasons in the first round. Green Bay won one, but then were chased out of the playoffs in the first round the next season. The Colts won their Super Bowl and have been 2-4 in the post season since then.

So since winning their Super Bowls, the Colts, Saints and Packers are a combined 2-7 in the playoffs. Add New England since their last Super Bowl win, and that number turns into 7-13.

But Pittsburgh is 4-3 with two Super Bowl appearances and one more SB win, and Eli Manning and the Giants are 2-1 after the GMen and Eli won their Super Bowl.

Hopefully people will stop being hypnotized by these teams dinking and dunking 60 times a game and then thinking this is a great team with a great offense. Doing it once is great, but to be considered a great team, you need to have more than one successful playoff run.
Click to expand...

IllMil alluded to this, but none of the last six Super Bowl champs have gotten out of the second round. Maybe the inability of the Packers, Saints and Colts to repeat has less to do with their weaknesses and more with the fact it's damn near impossible to repeat in the NFL, regardless of the construction of your team, and only slightly less difficult to win twice with the same core.

Since the dawn of free agency, five teams have won multiple titles in a five-year span, and the Cowboys did it at the very beginning of that era. Winning it all takes a lot out of a team. Ray Lewis is a piece of shit scumbag, but his quote about doing all you can to just get to the NFL semifinals is a telling one. And he's still two wins shy of the ultimate goal.

So how much does it take out of a team, mentally and physically, to win a Super Bowl? Their offseasons are a month-and-a-half shorter, so even if they don't mimic the 1986 Giants and destroy the rubber chicken circuit, there is less time to recover for the next season. That has an effect at some point, and usually the bill comes due the following January. I would be curious to see the pre-Nov. 1 records for defending SB champs and the post-Nov. 1 records. I bet you there's a giant disparity, though I may just have the 2011 Packers and 2008 Giants on my mind.
Click to expand...

Pittsburgh beat the Cardinals and came back the next season to lose the Super Bowl to the Packers.
Click to expand...

You might want to tell the Saints and Colts they played for nothing, then.
Click to expand...

THIS was hilarious.

What happened to the Saints and Colts? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SAINTS AND COLTS?!
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Would you place the Saint success over the Raven success since 2000? I would not. Colts, yes, I would, but they are leveled as a franchise. The Ravens will continue to be very strong for the foreseeable future.

LongTimeListener · Jan 16, 2012

93Devil said:

BYH said:

LongTimeListener said:

93Devil said:

BYH said:

93Devil said:

What drives me nuts about today's NFL is if you asked people who the best teams of the last 10 years were, they would rattle off the Patriots, Saints and Colts, and in my opinion, this is not even close.

The Patriots are in the conversation for what they did pre-Moss - when they had a defense and they ran the ball.

The Saints won a Super Bowl, but were thumped out of the playoffs the next two seasons in the first round. Green Bay won one, but then were chased out of the playoffs in the first round the next season. The Colts won their Super Bowl and have been 2-4 in the post season since then.

So since winning their Super Bowls, the Colts, Saints and Packers are a combined 2-7 in the playoffs. Add New England since their last Super Bowl win, and that number turns into 7-13.

But Pittsburgh is 4-3 with two Super Bowl appearances and one more SB win, and Eli Manning and the Giants are 2-1 after the GMen and Eli won their Super Bowl.

Hopefully people will stop being hypnotized by these teams dinking and dunking 60 times a game and then thinking this is a great team with a great offense. Doing it once is great, but to be considered a great team, you need to have more than one successful playoff run.
Click to expand...

IllMil alluded to this, but none of the last six Super Bowl champs have gotten out of the second round. Maybe the inability of the Packers, Saints and Colts to repeat has less to do with their weaknesses and more with the fact it's damn near impossible to repeat in the NFL, regardless of the construction of your team, and only slightly less difficult to win twice with the same core.

Since the dawn of free agency, five teams have won multiple titles in a five-year span, and the Cowboys did it at the very beginning of that era. Winning it all takes a lot out of a team. Ray Lewis is a piece of shit scumbag, but his quote about doing all you can to just get to the NFL semifinals is a telling one. And he's still two wins shy of the ultimate goal.

So how much does it take out of a team, mentally and physically, to win a Super Bowl? Their offseasons are a month-and-a-half shorter, so even if they don't mimic the 1986 Giants and destroy the rubber chicken circuit, there is less time to recover for the next season. That has an effect at some point, and usually the bill comes due the following January. I would be curious to see the pre-Nov. 1 records for defending SB champs and the post-Nov. 1 records. I bet you there's a giant disparity, though I may just have the 2011 Packers and 2008 Giants on my mind.
Click to expand...

Pittsburgh beat the Cardinals and came back the next season to lose the Super Bowl to the Packers.
Click to expand...

You might want to tell the Saints and Colts they played for nothing, then.
Click to expand...

THIS was hilarious.

What happened to the Saints and Colts? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SAINTS AND COLTS?!
Click to expand...

Would you place the Saint success over the Raven success since 2000? I would not. Colts, yes, I would, but they are leveled as a franchise. The Ravens will continue to be very strong for the foreseeable future.
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I wouldn't, I suppose. However, I would acknowledge that they won the Super Bowl between the Steelers' defeat of the Cardinals and the Steelers' loss to the Packers.

Uncle.Ruckus · Jan 16, 2012

Bullshit. I don't remember that happening.

BYH · Jan 16, 2012

Uncle.Ruckus said:

And Tebow sleeps on top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies.
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Upon further reflection, I am wearing loafers.

93Devil · Jan 16, 2012

Am I fucking that up? Sweet lord.

My fail.

You want to talk about blocking out a season from my mind.

I know the saints won one, but i got the timeline in my head screwed up.

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