NFL Running Thread - Week 3 with Mark Moseley and Jeff Reed

93Devil - You need to get your mind out of the gutter. You are not giving this team nearly enough credit. Not only is this team better than their last two Super Bowl champs, this team is better than all six of the Steelers Super Bowl teams and since we all know that any sensible ranking of the greatest teams of all time has all six of those teams at the top, well, this team is the greatest team of all time. And seriously, it is a sound argument to make looking at the individual parts.....

Troy - Greatest player ever
Big Ben - Greatest quarterback ever
James Harrison, Lamar Woodley, Larry Timmons - Greatest linebacker group ever
Mike Wallace - Better than Jerry Rice by a mile
Max Starks - Best tackle ever
Mike Tomlin - Best coach ever....

So you see, 93Devil, stop selling this team so short. This is easily the greatest compilation of talent in the history of team sports and a big win over perennial power Tampa Bay proves that!!!

 

You still have to throw the 10-yard out, the 15-yard hook and the 40-yard bomb to be a great NFL QB, legs or no legs, but Vick is showing that he can make this throws.

That is the key to his succces. The legs are nice addition.

 

Really? Could Terry Bradshaw throw the 10-yard out and 15-yard hook with accuracy and consistency?

 

Hey, it's easy to say it when they will be rolling along in Week 10. Trust me, this team is very, very good.

Ask the Saints and Giants how weak the Steeler schedule is.

Troy - Greatest Steeler ever - maybe
Big Ben - Greatest Steeler quarterback ever - second best easily, might surpass Terry when it is all said and done.
James Harrison, Lamar Woodley, Larry Timmons Farrior - Greatest Steeler linebacker group ever - maybe, give this group a little more time. It's the best without a Ham or Lambert.
Mike Wallace - Better than John Taylor and Alvin Harper by a mile - he might end up being better than them in the long run.
Max Starks - Best tackle ever - nope
Mike Tomlin - Best coach ever.... - Zag, you have to admit, he's doing pretty well. Not a great, but one of the five best in the league right now? He could be. He would be in the discussion.

 

Vick is easily one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league, and there aren't five playing better than him right now. I can think of two: Manning and Rogers. Other than that, he's been the man.

But people like OOP will continue to hate on him for past offenses. It says more about them as people than it does about Vick

 

It isn't the fact that people hate him for his past offenses - this is America and that is their choice and I have no feeling one way or the other about him as a person. I think he made amends for what he did and has tried to become a productive member of society and that's what we ask of people who fuck up.

What becomes ridiculous however is when this blind hatred for a guy turns into not being able to give him credit for the things he accomplishes on the field or basketball court or whatever.

It is the same mentality of the idiot-heads on NBA threads who consistently try to make arguments that Kobe Bryant isn't that good, which is just plain stupid.

 

No. NO. NO!

 

First coaching casualty: Niners OC Jimmy Raye is fired.

They HAD to do something after yesterday.

 

I completely agree with this, but I still hope he breaks his leg. We need to seperate the person from his playing ability.

 

Vick as a person: He made his mistakes, awful as they were. He's paid for them and got a second chance at his career. I hope I'm afforded that should I ever be in that situation. Whether or not you'd like to admit it, you do too. And by "you", I mean everyone.

Vick as a player: M-V-P!!!

 

Now this is complete bullshit. A mistake? That's what it was, please, he's a scumbag piece of shit who served his time and deserves to be playing again. He is playing at an elite level but spare me the Pollyanna BS. I try not to fall for the athlete redemption stories. Sonner, you'd make a hell of a Steeler fan.

 

As usual, Zag has no idea what he is talking about.

My evaluation of Vick is pretty much what it always was. Go look at the threads from before we all found out he abused animals. He is a great runner, but he has never been consistent enough to be an elite quarterback. If you are going to say he is one of the best players in the NFL, then that does sound like you are saying he is an elite quarterback.

I said that perhaps this time it is for real. This may be the best offense he has ever had around him. Probably the best offensive coach he has had, too. But two games don't prove that he has changed. Vick has had great games before. And yes, that includes two against the Steelers. I honestly have no idea if Polamalu played in those games or not. Doesn't matter. He was amazing those days, especially the tie. Just unbelievable. Those were quickly followed within a week or two by Vick returning to be the same erratic, ineffective passer he always was.

Now the great argument is Pro Bowls? Seriously? Pro Bowl trips are a joke. Vick was a below-average quarterback before his jail sentence. This is a passing league and he didn't get it done.

So what we are talking about is two-plus games, and the two starts came against dogshit defenses. As I pointed out, those same Lions made Joe Flacco look like an All-Pro late last season.

And it wasn't just that the Packers didn't game plan for Vick, it was that he came into the game down 17 points. Josh Johnson was 6-for-6 and led the Bucs right down the field for a touchdown against the Steelers yesterday. I guess Tampa Bay should just hand him the starting job, right?

I'm not saying Vick is definitely going to fall on his face. I'm saying, based on his history, it makes sense to wait and see if he can find some consistency this time because he failed to do that so many times in the past.

Regarding the Steelers, I simply felt like writing about them. Annoying the people here who whine about Steelersjacks was a bonus.

By the way, 93Devil is the one who has been saying the Steelers are going to be dominant when Roethlisberger returns. I've been questioning it. But hey, since when do you care about being accurate. You just want to rant with no regard for facts that don't fit into your fantasies.

Then there is the comparison of Roethlisberger and Vick. It's funny how Sonner rips me for calling Vick a dog killer over and over, but he has nothing to say when people call Roethlisberger a rapist. Can't imagine why that is.

I'm not even going to get too deeply into the use of the phrase "serial rapist." The woman at the hotel is a nutbag who bragged to her friends about fucking Roethlisberger, then changed her mind a year later and filed a civil suit. She didn't even try to file criminal charges. She just went for the payday.

I doubt that anybody knows what happened in that bathroom in Georgia given how drunk both Roethlisberger and the college girl were, but the way he got that girl there makes me believe Roethlisberger is a dirtbag, too. I have ripped him repeatedly for it on this site. The fact remains that he may not even be the worst guy on the Steelers. James Harrison belongs in that discussion, too, for assaulting his girlfriend.

The difference between me rooting for those guys to help the Steelers do well and Sonner rooting for Vick is that Sonner is rooting for the individual on his own merits. It has nothing to do with team loyalty. He actually wants the lowlife to do well just because he likes the guy. At this point, I dislike Roethlisberger a hell of a lot more than I dislike Vick.

And if you can't understand that, Zag...well, it's you, so I know you can't. I didn't use enough small words for you to keep up.