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NFL Week 11: In four weeks we can put TEBOW!!!! in the headline

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by LongTimeListener, Nov 16, 2011.

  1. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    This:

    sounds an awful lot like a conclusion based on statistics.

    Anyway, as I've previously noted, I'm firmly in the camp of people who had no particular interest in Tebow before a couple of weeks ago but just love the idea that he is turning the NFL establishment on its ear. It can't last. But the question, again, to start this mini-thread was: Were the Broncos not supposed to do what they thought would win them games?

    Obviously you think Kyle Orton was just about to turn the corner from his 6-21 stretch. The evidence suggested otherwise.
     
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    You're arguing for Kyle Orton. Enlightened indeed.

    And by the way, this post:

    is your opinion dressed up as fact. There is absolutely no number, no scouting report, nothing that you can cite in support.
     
  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Then you should probably read it more carefully. It is very clearly a conclusion based on a scouting report. A passing mention of a stat does not mean that the conclusion is based on a stat.

    Tim Tebow will turn the ball over because Tim Tebow can't throw the ball where he wants to, and because he runs with the ball a lot. That's not a statistical analysis.



    I'm right with you there! NFL coaches are a passive, risk-averse, suboptimal bunch. There's a lot of NFL establishment that should be turned on its ear.

    But a quarterback who can't throw is nothing but the weak link in an offense that is the weak link on teh team. Any winning that happens is happening despite him, not because of him

    If they think that Tebow is something that helps them win games, then they should think differently. And that is said with absolutely no affection for Kyle Orton, who was Tebow before Tebow was Tebow.
     
  4. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    I'll grant that's not entirely comfortable ground for me.


    Of course it's an opinion.
     
  5. Herbert Anchovy

    Herbert Anchovy Active Member

    Aye. Trolls who troll NFL threads once or twice a year, whenever their crotch gets scratchy, are obligated no animal bits.
     
  6. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    I thought this letter Simmons published was sort of clever:

    I think Tim Tebow is a lot like the movie/Broadway show "The Producers". Elway and Fox are the producers, Bialystock and Bloom. Tim Tebow is "Springtime for Hitler". Elway and Fox think that if they put Tebow out there, he's going to flop and make them look good and they'll be able to draft a new QB. BUT, he's winning even though he still sucks, so Elway and Fox are stuck with this clown until who knows when. Thoughts?
    — Scott T, Irvington, NY
     
  7. Bob Cook

    Bob Cook Active Member

    That's great. However, the one flaw in that argument is that Elway and Fox are setting up Tebow to fail. At least with Fox, he's retailored the offense to fit Tebow. Maybe Fox is afraid what happens if Tebow succeeds, but Fox is a lot more afraid of what happens if he fails to win as a head coach.
     
  8. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    Has he moved into serious Coach of the Year contention yet or does he need to win a couple more for that?
     
  9. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Harbaugh could lose every game from now till the end of the season and he will be Coach of the Year.
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I am not Scott T from Irvington, NY. I am, however, more convinced than ever that Simmons makes up his letters.

     
  11. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Mike Tomczak just ripped off his Steelers jersey and asked, "What about me?"
     
  12. joe king

    joe king Active Member

    I remembered that coming up on one of the threads and did a search for "Springtime for Hitler" but that post didn't come up.

    Well done, Scott... I mean, Longtime.
     
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