NHL 2013: Off-Season Running Thread

Beef03 · Jun 30, 2012

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Mark2010 said:

Beef03 said:

KJIM said:

Bring me up to speed, please.

Haven't been following hockey lately. Back in the country, Winnipeg is my closest NHL city.

Wings are scheduled there on a Saturday in October.

Should I start putting out feelers for tickets/pass, or is there going to be a work stoppage?
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all up in the air. I personally think there will be a labour stoppage considering they waited until yesterday to actually start negotiations. While lines have not been publicly drawn in the sand yet, rumours that the league will be going after guaranteed contracts and the players looking for upwards of 65% of revenue has me thinking this won't be a simple signing off on a renewal of the current cba with a few tweaks.

But that's just me. Fehr doesn't seem as militant as Goodenow, but he seems to have better control over his charges, is going out of his way to build that unity
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65 percent of the gross revenue? That's insane. What's the NBA? Like 51 or 52 percent? And the NFL isn't all that much higher, IIRC.
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That's the extreme number I thought I read somewhere. I dont think they have a hope in hell of getting it. Right now I believe it's at 57 per cent. But as with most negotiations you throw the big number out there so that when settle for less you look like you conceded. However I think the owners are looking for a bigger share themselves.

Mark2010 · Jun 30, 2012

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I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it seems like the salary cap has jumped considerably every year since the 2004-05 lockout.

I remember in those days the league was real scared that revenue wouldn't come back very fast. They even did stuff like rig the schedule to have teams play 8 games against division rivals and even a lot of back-to-backs against the same team to cut down on travel costs. Once they realized the fans would come back and the TV would come back, they got a little fat and comfortable with the money.

I'm just afraid they are headed down the same road that led to the lockout of 2004-05. Although the salary cap has made life more bearable for small market teams. If you raise the cap too high, small market teams won't be able to keep up again and we'll be back in the same boat.

As someone else pointed out, if Dennis Wideman gets $5.2 million per year, what does a legitimate all-star get?

HC · Jul 1, 2012

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Mark2010 said:

That would be the bigger worry if I'm a GM. Just too much risk of that very thing. Any player. Get an injury and you're out long-term or come back as a fraction of the player you used to be and the club is still paying out the nose.

That's one thing I really, really dislike about team sports. Tiger Woods or Lindsay Vonn or Rafael Nadal get injured and miss half a year of competition, they just don't get paid. Fair enough. Greg Oden blows out a knee or two and he still gets millions? (May not be his fault, per se, but still he's not there.) Payment should be for performance.
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For arguments sake, I would venture that Tiger Woods is self-employed while a member of a team is an employee of that team and should not be penalized for injury in service to his employer.

JC · Jul 1, 2012

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HC said:

Mark2010 said:

That would be the bigger worry if I'm a GM. Just too much risk of that very thing. Any player. Get an injury and you're out long-term or come back as a fraction of the player you used to be and the club is still paying out the nose.

That's one thing I really, really dislike about team sports. Tiger Woods or Lindsay Vonn or Rafael Nadal get injured and miss half a year of competition, they just don't get paid. Fair enough. Greg Oden blows out a knee or two and he still gets millions? (May not be his fault, per se, but still he's not there.) Payment should be for performance.
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For arguments sake, I would venture that Tiger Woods is self-employed while a member of a team is an employee of that team and should not be penalized for injury in service to his employer.
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Of course you are correct, Mark's point is ridiculous.

Moderator1 · Jul 1, 2012

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OK, power's been out, TV still out. Internet back up. Someone give me the quick bullet-point update on today please and thank you very much

mb · Jul 1, 2012

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Italian asses were beaten. That's pretty much it.

Moderator1 · Jul 1, 2012

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Always a good start.

I gather Semin signed nowhere?

JC · Jul 1, 2012

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Moderator1 said:

OK, power's been out, TV still out. Internet back up. Someone give me the quick bullet-point update on today please and thank you very much
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A lot of teams overpaid foraverage to below average players

mb · Jul 1, 2012

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Basically nothing has happened. At all. No Parise. No Suter. No Nash deal. Biggest names might be Parenteau to Colorado for 4/16 and Ray Whitney to Dallas for 2/10 (IIRC).

Edit: No Semin, either.

Sam Mills 51 · Jul 1, 2012

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Moderator1 said:

OK, power's been out, TV still out. Internet back up. Someone give me the quick bullet-point update on today please and thank you very much
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If NHL, it has been kinda busy.

-P.A. Parenteau signs with Avs
-Brandon Prust signs with Habs, with Montreal probably overpaying.
-Ray Whitney signs with Stars
-Jordan Staal signs 10-year, $60 million extension in Raleigh; Joe Corvo re-signs (third tour of duty IIRC) and Justin Peters is re-signed (Cam Ward ... please don't get hurt)
-Suter, Parise still exploring options

In soccer, what MB said. In a nutshell.

Sam Mills 51 · Jul 1, 2012

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mb said:

Basically nothing has happened. At all. No Parise. No Suter. No Nash deal. Biggest names might be Parenteau to Colorado for 4/16 and Ray Whitney to Dallas for 2/10 (IIRC).

Edit: No Semin, either.
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Who wants Semin? Not joking ...

mb · Jul 1, 2012

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Watched TSN's show from Noon to 3 on NHL Network and when they went off-air, one (or was it 2?) of their top 20 UFAs had signed.

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