NHL 2013: Off-Season Running Thread

JosephC.Myers · Sep 30, 2012

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Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Not crying poverty for the players at all. However, I just have a problem with the owners paying out big salaries and only realizing down the line that maybe we shouldn't have done that.

RickStain · Sep 30, 2012

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AFAICT, the owners want a salary cap that is workable for the small-market teams and let the large-market teams pocket the huge profits that result.

Mark2010 · Sep 30, 2012

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JosephC.Myers said:

Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Not crying poverty for the players at all. However, I just have a problem with the owners paying out big salaries and only realizing down the line that maybe we shouldn't have done that.
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True enough. The whole concept of a salary cap should prevent owners from tripping over themselves when it comes to ridiculous contracts.

Liut · Sep 30, 2012

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Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Agreed. The NHLPA must recognize 57-percent of hockey-related revenue to the players is not going to remain the status-quo. A few owners must accept reality, unless they want to go back to a 12-team (1967-68) league.

St. Louis lost $20 million last year with mostly sellout crowds. Head of the new ownership group, Tom Stillman, is quoted in the Post-Dispatch saying the Blues will be a small-to-medium-sized, locally-owned business.

Something has to, and will, give.

RickStain · Sep 30, 2012

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Liut said:

Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Agreed. The NHLPA must recognize 57-percent of hockey-related revenue to the players is not going to remain the status-quo. A few owners must accept reality, unless they want to go back to a 12-team (1967-68) league.

St. Louis lost $20 million last year with mostly sellout crowds. Head of the new ownership group, Tom Stillman, is quoted in the Post-Dispatch saying the Blues will be a small-to-medium-sized, locally-owned business.

Something has to, and will, give.
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Revenue sharing.

Liut · Sep 30, 2012

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RickStain said:

Liut said:

Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Agreed. The NHLPA must recognize 57-percent of hockey-related revenue to the players is not going to remain the status-quo. A few owners must accept reality, unless they want to go back to a 12-team (1967-68) league.

St. Louis lost $20 million last year with mostly sellout crowds. Head of the new ownership group, Tom Stillman, is quoted in the Post-Dispatch saying the Blues will be a small-to-medium-sized, locally-owned business.

Something has to, and will, give.
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Revenue sharing.
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If I'm an owner, I'll share some. But not a majority. It's my business and I'm interested in turning a profit.

I'm also going to ask my colleagues Ed Snider and Craig Leipold, "What the hell are you doing?"

JC · Sep 30, 2012

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Then don't have a cap and spend what you like. You can't limit what players can make and not have real revenue sharing. There is such a wide gap from the halves and halve nots that I think are better going to a baseball style luxury tax system.

Mark2010 · Sep 30, 2012

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Liut said:

Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Agreed. The NHLPA must recognize 57-percent of hockey-related revenue to the players is not going to remain the status-quo. A few owners must accept reality, unless they want to go back to a 12-team (1967-68) league.

St. Louis lost $20 million last year with mostly sellout crowds. Head of the new ownership group, Tom Stillman, is quoted in the Post-Dispatch saying the Blues will be a small-to-medium-sized, locally-owned business.

Something has to, and will, give.
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57 percent seems way to high. Anyone know what the NFL and NBA split is? I think it's much lower.

Liut · Sep 30, 2012

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JC said:

You can't limit what players can make and not have real revenue sharing.
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Mind explaining this statement in more detail? Thanks.

Liut · Sep 30, 2012

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Mark2010 said:

Liut said:

Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Agreed. The NHLPA must recognize 57-percent of hockey-related revenue to the players is not going to remain the status-quo. A few owners must accept reality, unless they want to go back to a 12-team (1967-68) league.

St. Louis lost $20 million last year with mostly sellout crowds. Head of the new ownership group, Tom Stillman, is quoted in the Post-Dispatch saying the Blues will be a small-to-medium-sized, locally-owned business.

Something has to, and will, give.
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57 percent seems way to high. Anyone know what the NFL and NBA split is? I think it's much lower.
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Mark2010 said:

Liut said:

Mark2010 said:

Players have done pretty well over the last seven years. Salary cap has gone up every year. So, please, no crying poverty.
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Agreed. The NHLPA must recognize 57-percent of hockey-related revenue to the players is not going to remain the status-quo. A few owners must accept reality, unless they want to go back to a 12-team (1967-68) league.

St. Louis lost $20 million last year with mostly sellout crowds. Head of the new ownership group, Tom Stillman, is quoted in the Post-Dispatch saying the Blues will be a small-to-medium-sized, locally-owned business.

Something has to, and will, give.
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57 percent seems way to high.
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It's outrageous.
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RickStain · Sep 30, 2012

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Liut said:

If I'm an owner, I'll share some. But not a majority. It's my business and I'm interested in turning a profit.
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Okay, then if I'm a player, I'm not accepting any sort of salary cap. It's my career and labor, and I'm interested in negotiating my fair value.

JC · Sep 30, 2012

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Liut said:

JC said:

You can't limit what players can make and not have real revenue sharing.
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Mind explaining this statement in more detail? Thanks.
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You are limiting what a player can make, if you are doing that you better be willing to share your revenue with each other.

Are you one big business or 30 individual ones? If you're 30 individual ones then there should be no cap and each team can fend for themselves like every other business in the world.

Crosby makes 8.7, what would fair market it pay him, 20, 25 mill?

I have no problem if it comes down but it better come with better revenue sharing.

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