NHL 2013: Off-Season Running Thread

Gehrig · Oct 16, 2012

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407490

Good sign.

SoCalDude · Oct 16, 2012

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I've been saying for a few weeks that a 50-50 split is the answer and was waiting for one of the sides to propose that.
Right now, I think most followers believe the owners are the greedy bastards who have caused this situation. I thought the players would make the 50-50 offer to keep the ball in the owners' court and the public still thinking the owners are the root of this evil.
Now, since, according to the link, the owners have made the 50-50 proposal, the ball shifts to the players' court. They should take it and get to work. If they reject it, the perception will shift that they are the greedy bastards ... and on we go.

cranberry · Oct 16, 2012

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SoCalDude said:

I've been saying for a few weeks that a 50-50 split is the answer and was waiting for one of the sides to propose that.
Right now, I think most followers believe the owners are the greedy bastards who have caused this situation. I thought the players would make the 50-50 offer to keep the ball in the owners' court and the public still thinking the owners are the root of this evil.
Now, since, according to the link, the owners have made the 50-50 proposal, the ball shifts to the players' court. They should take it and get to work. If they reject it, the perception will shift that they are the greedy bastards ... and on we go.
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Sure, 50-50 always sounds fair. The details suggest it still entails a huge concession from players. But it may be a good enough proposal to get negotiations moving again.

JC · Oct 16, 2012

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SoCalDude said:

I've been saying for a few weeks that a 50-50 split is the answer and was waiting for one of the sides to propose that.
Right now, I think most followers believe the owners are the greedy bastards who have caused this situation. I thought the players would make the 50-50 offer to keep the ball in the owners' court and the public still thinking the owners are the root of this evil.
Now, since, according to the link, the owners have made the 50-50 proposal, the ball shifts to the players' court. They should take it and get to work. If they reject it, the perception will shift that they are the greedy bastards ... and on we go.
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Negotaitions are not just about 50/50 split. You know none of the other details of the proposal but you think the players should just accept and trust Gary. This is a starting point and a PR move by the league, nothing more. This is the offer they should have started with.

Gehrig · Oct 16, 2012

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John Shannon‏@JSportsnet

Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.

Starman · Oct 16, 2012

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SoCalDude said:

I've been saying for a few weeks that a 50-50 split is the answer and was waiting for one of the sides to propose that.
Right now, I think most followers believe the owners are the greedy bastards who have caused this situation.
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Uh, they are. The players were perfectly willing to continue playing under the terms of the previous CBA, a CBA essentially imposed at gunpoint by the owners after unconditional victory in the previous lockout.

I thought the players would make the 50-50 offer to keep the ball in the owners' court and the public still thinking the owners are the root of this evil.
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Uh, the public almost always massively supports the owners in any pro sports labor dispute, thanks mainly to their puppy-dog nut-slurping corporate media cheerleaders. Joe Sixpack always says, "Yahhhhhhh why do those thugs/punks think they should get more money for playing a damn game, hell I make $50,000 a year and I would be glad to play the damn games for that much, they should cap all salaries at $100,000 and tell them all to take it or go home and get a real job, yahhhhhhh."

Of course this means all the money goes to the owners sitting up in the luxury boxes. Apparently Joe Sixpack, when he pays $100 to go see a hockey (basketball/baseball/football) game, wants $98 to go to the guys munching caviar in the luxury boxes and $2 to the punks busting ass down on the field/ice/court.

Now, since, according to the link, the owners have made the 50-50 proposal, the ball shifts to the players' court. They should take it and get to work. If they reject it, the perception will shift that they are the greedy bastards ... and on we go.
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That perception is already there, and has always been, thanks to the owners' PR machines.

Liut · Oct 16, 2012

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PHDs awarded by the Jack Adams School of Public Relations.

SoCalDude · Oct 16, 2012

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Starman said:

SoCalDude said:

I've been saying for a few weeks that a 50-50 split is the answer and was waiting for one of the sides to propose that.
Right now, I think most followers believe the owners are the greedy bastards who have caused this situation.
Click to expand...

Uh, they are. The players were perfectly willing to continue playing under the terms of the previous CBA, a CBA essentially imposed at gunpoint by the owners after unconditional victory in the previous lockout.

I thought the players would make the 50-50 offer to keep the ball in the owners' court and the public still thinking the owners are the root of this evil.
Click to expand...

Uh, the public almost always massively supports the owners in any pro sports labor dispute, thanks mainly to their puppy-dog nut-slurping corporate media cheerleaders. Joe Sixpack always says, "Yahhhhhhh why do those thugs/punks think they should get more money for playing a damn game, hell I make $50,000 a year and I would be glad to play the damn games for that much, they should cap all salaries at $100,000 and tell them all to take it or go home and get a real job, yahhhhhhh."

Of course this means all the money goes to the owners sitting up in the luxury boxes. Apparently Joe Sixpack, when he pays $100 to go see a hockey (basketball/baseball/football) game, wants $98 to go to the guys munching caviar in the luxury boxes and $2 to the punks busting ass down on the field/ice/court.

Now, since, according to the link, the owners have made the 50-50 proposal, the ball shifts to the players' court. They should take it and get to work. If they reject it, the perception will shift that they are the greedy bastards ... and on we go.
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That perception is already there, and has always been, thanks to the owners' PR machines.
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I think, now, most fans know the difference between a strike and a lockout.
And, most hockey fans think of Bettman as the enemy and can figure out what side he's on, thus, blame that side for the hockey interruption.
Bettman is a one-man wrecking crew for the "NHL PR machine."

KJIM · Oct 17, 2012

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Hockey fans, yes. Hockey and NHL fans are familiar with these tactics.

Sports fans, casual fans and any general public member that takes note, no. Most people assume work stoppages are the work of strikes.

Sheesh, I know people who work NHL games who still refer to the last stoppage as a "strike."

Does the NHL's latest proposal -- games would start Nov. 2 -- mean that all Oct. games have officially been canceled? I hadn't seen an update since games canceled through Oct. 24. Did I miss one?

JosephC.Myers · Oct 17, 2012

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Gehrig said:

John Shannon‏@JSportsnet

Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.
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That is interesting. There are a lot of NHL guys in the AHL on two-way contracts, meaning they get X if they're in the NHL and Y if they're in the AHL. If they're in the AHL, would their NHL salary be the one counting against the cap or would it be the significantly cheaper AHL salary?

Huggy · Oct 17, 2012

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I suspect it would be the NHL salary, guys like Redden would count against the Rangers' cap even though he hasn't played there in forever.

JosephC.Myers · Oct 17, 2012

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Huggy said:

I suspect it would be the NHL salary, guys like Redden would count against the Rangers' cap even though he hasn't played there in forever.
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If that's the case, then there's going to be a lot less two-ways contracts being given out and you could see some of those guys getting cut as teams try to save cap money.

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