NHL awards/draft/off-season/training camp/preseason running thread

Flash · Sep 12, 2007

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hockeybeat said:

JR said:

Niedermayer.

In the post Doug Harvey era, there are only three defensemen you can mention in the same breath; Orr, Coffey & Niedermayer.
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Where does Leetch rank?
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Top 10 but definitely nowhere near those three.

childofthesixties · Sep 12, 2007

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Uh...perhaps you've never heard of Larry Robinson or Scott Stevens?

Claws for Concern · Sep 12, 2007

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Flash said:

Ramage's trial has begun in Newmarket:

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=b0486158-0294-4d99-a1a6-cc4593aadc7b

A jury of eight men and four women was selected Tuesday to hear criminal charges against former Calgary Flame Rob Ramage who was at the wheel on Dec. 15, 2003, when his passenger, former Chicago Blackhawks defenceman Keith Magnuson, died in a collision with another vehicle.

The trial is expected to begin Monday in Newmarket, Ont., and is expected to last into the first week of October, said Brian Greenspan, Ramage's lawyer.

Ramage has pleaded not guilty to five charges. Three involve the death of Magnuson --impaired driving causing death, dangerous driving causing death and being over the legal blood-alcohol limit. The two other charges relate to minor injuries sustained by a woman in the other vehicle, Greenspan added.
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You mean former Colorado Rockies No. 1 overall pick Rob Ramage.

JR · Sep 12, 2007

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childofthesixties said:

Uh...perhaps you've never heard of Larry Robinson or Scott Stevens?
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Robinson was a great player but not in the same league as these three guys.

Scott Stevens? Uh, not even in the same universe.

Leetch is the greatest American born defenseman.

Flash · Sep 12, 2007

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childofthesixties said:

Uh...perhaps you've never heard of Larry Robinson or Scott Stevens?
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Again ... top 10 but nowhere near those three. Niedermayer has dominated the game at every level.

Flash · Sep 12, 2007

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Claws for Concern said:

Flash said:

Ramage's trial has begun in Newmarket:

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=b0486158-0294-4d99-a1a6-cc4593aadc7b

A jury of eight men and four women was selected Tuesday to hear criminal charges against former Calgary Flame Rob Ramage who was at the wheel on Dec. 15, 2003, when his passenger, former Chicago Blackhawks defenceman Keith Magnuson, died in a collision with another vehicle.

The trial is expected to begin Monday in Newmarket, Ont., and is expected to last into the first week of October, said Brian Greenspan, Ramage's lawyer.

Ramage has pleaded not guilty to five charges. Three involve the death of Magnuson --impaired driving causing death, dangerous driving causing death and being over the legal blood-alcohol limit. The two other charges relate to minor injuries sustained by a woman in the other vehicle, Greenspan added.
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You mean former Colorado Rockies No. 1 overall pick Rob Ramage.
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Yeah ... that guy.

JR · Sep 12, 2007

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To put Niedermayer's career into a little perspective--

He's the only player in hockey history to have won:

The Stanley Cup
The World Junior Championship
The IIHF World Championship
The Memorial Cup
Olympic Gold Medal
The World Cup of Hockey (for what that's worth)

Oh, and as an add-on, he won the Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP

Funny how he keeps latching on to those championship teams.

Sea Bass · Sep 12, 2007

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JR said:

Niedermayer.

In the post Doug Harvey era, there are only three defensemen you can mention in the same breath; Orr, Coffey & Niedermayer.
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How many Norris Trophies did Ray Bourque win?

RedCanuck · Sep 12, 2007

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I was going to ask about Bourque too, and while you're at it, how about Nik Lidstrom?

Flash · Sep 12, 2007

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And while we're on the subject of DUIs today, the Leafs have suspended Mark Bell ...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=218124&hubname=

Toronto Maple Leafs' Mark Bell was suspended without pay for 15 regular-season games by the NHL on Wednesday.

The suspension stems from a driving under the influence of alcohol incident in California on September 1st, 2006. Bell will serve six months in county jail at the end of the season as a result. The 27-year-old was with the San Jose Sharks at the time.

"Playing in the National Hockey League is a privilege, and with that privilege comes a corresponding responsibility for exemplary conduct off the ice as well as on it," said NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman.

"However, over the past year, Mark has made extraordinary strides in his rehabilitation," added Bettman. "This positive progress was a material factor in reducing what could have been a lengthier suspension."

JR · Sep 12, 2007

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Ok. Bourque, Lidstrom, Chelios and Pronger could be added to the list.

alanTdot · Sep 12, 2007

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JR said:

To put Niedermayer's career into a little perspective--

He's the only player in hockey history to have won:

The Stanley Cup
The World Junior Championship
The IIHF World Championship
The Memorial Cup
Olympic Gold Medal
The World Cup of Hockey (for what that's worth)

Oh, and as an add-on, he won the Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP

Funny how he keeps latching on to those championship teams.
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Does that mean that Chris Drury is a All timer 1st ballot HOF'er as well? Doesn't he keep latching onto those championship teams?

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