NHL awards/draft/off-season/training camp/preseason running thread

Flash · Jun 24, 2007

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Huggy said:

Flash said:

Huggy said:

ondeadline said:

Can't go wrong with a Sutter, I guess.
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A guy I know who watches a lot of WHL games says Sutter has the name but not the talent of a first rounder.
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Haven't seen a lot of him but from what I have seen, I support this. Not a first-round ability to skate. Not first-round puck sense.
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My guy, who's very well connected in WHL circles, tells me Sutter's only on the Canadian junior super series team because his old man's coaching, there's a game in Red Deer and it's a story TSN can beat to death. I'd be very surprised to see him on the team at Christmas. A guy like Steve Stamkos - to name just one - will blow by him as the season goes on.

Interesting to see Phoenix take Brett McLean. He put up a pile of points playing with John Tavares. Not saying McLean can't make it but you'd think Gretzky, more than just about anyone else, would know how one guy in junior hockey can make his linemates look a lot better than they really are.
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Far as I remember, he was on the fourth line for Kootenay ... Daddy Dearest trades for him and, all of a sudden, he's on the second line. Amazing, eh?

Beef03 · Jun 24, 2007

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Cansportschick said:

Still fuming over Pierre's thought that the Blue Jackets did not make much of a splash by getting Voracek.
I am very familiar with him here, and he is a top rated player with the Mooseheads. I also think he is a great fit with the Blue Jackets.

I still can't believe Sakic was picked 15th in his draft year. He has always played like a first round draft pick.
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I think what he meant by not making a splash with the Voracek pick was that it was the safe pick. They didn't go off the board and try to out-smart themselves. They were lucky Voracek fell to them and would have been stupid to pass on him. Making a splash would have been moving up in the draft or going off the board IMO. Still Voracek is going to be a solid player, I more than half expected the Oil to take him at 6 over Sam Gagner.

I was surprised by MacLean's open hatred for Zherdev. I knew he wasn't a fan, especially by the end, but he just could not get over it on the broadcast. Every chance he got he ripped the guy. Unbelieveable. I was not thrilled by the job MacLean did on the pannel. Overall I was a little let down by TSN's performance at the draft, I thought they had done a better job in past years in setting up possible picks for each team, going over their strengths and weaknesses, etc. Just not as in depth this time around.

hockeybeat · Jun 24, 2007

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I wonder why the Sabres aren't making more of an effort to re-sign Briere. http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/6954170

hockeybeat · Jun 24, 2007

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Chereponov's Broadway debut sooner than expected?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/2007/06/24/2007-06-24_ranger_pick_is_russian_over.html

Fly · Jun 24, 2007

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hockeybeat said:

mustardbased said:

Chereponov is falling like a rock. Wonder if he'll make it to 20 ....
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ondeadline said:

mustardbased said:

Chereponov is falling like a rock. Wonder if he'll make it to 20 ....
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Gee, wonder why your curious about the 20th pick?
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ondeadline said:

I think Pierre's head is going to explode if Chereponov isn't picked soon. So, in other words, hopefully he doesn't get picked.
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Huggy said:

ondeadline said:

I think Pierre's head is going to explode if Chereponov isn't picked soon. So, in other words, hopefully he doesn't get picked.
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McGuire always has to find a guy to go brown bunny on when Crosby isn't involved.

Chereponov should fall for that awful haircut alone.
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Ashy Larry said:

ondeadline said:

I think Pierre's head is going to explode if Chereponov isn't picked soon. So, in other words, hopefully he doesn't get picked.
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Is it true that Chereponov means "Brady Quinn" in Russian?
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mustardbased said:

Well, Rangers take Chereponov. And St. Louis just traded up to 18, but not to take Esposito.
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Rangers just got the steal of the draft. Going by talent alone, Chereponov should have been a Top-Five pick. However, there are questions if he will sign a NHL contract. Also, should he opt out of his contract with Omsk, will they sue the Rangers and NHL for his rights and cash? Since 2004, the Russian Super League has tried suing to be fairly compensated for losing Nicky Zherdev, Alex Ovechkin, Alexei Mikhnov, Andrei Taratukhin and Evgeni Malkin. Each time, the Russians have left U.S. Federal Courthouses holding, to paraphrase a line from noted philosopher Sonny Corleone, "their dicks in their hands."

Vladimir Tretiak is the president of the Russian Super League and he wants to ratify the NHL-IIHF Player Transfer Agreement. It states that each European team that has a player taken by a NHL organization receives $200,00 in compensation. However, the Russian owners--read Russian mob--doesn't think it's nearly enough. They have demanded millions in return. When the NHL and its clubs say, "No," the Russians sue. And lose.

If he comes to the Rangers for training camp, there's no way he doesn't make the team. I would think Chereponov would be the front-runner for the Rookie of the Year award.

Before the draft, it was reported that Glen Sather was looking to draft a forward. He didn't just select a forward. He got a superstar.

Chereponov's scouting report

Omsk â€¢ Russia
6'0", 183 lbs. Right wing, shoots left
Born: January 15, 1989 in Barnaul, Russia
Final Ranking: 1 â€¢ Mid-Term Ranking: 1 â€¢ European Skater

Central Scouting Report: An offensive winger with great acceleration and a nose for the net â€¦ has a quick release and can shoot at top speed â€¦ has good puckhandling and makes good decisions with the puck â€¦ works hard at both ends of the ice â€¦ doesn’t shy away from being hit, but needs to add a physical presence to his game and improve his consistency from game to game.

Hockey Profile: named the Top Forward at the 2007 World Junior Championships where he helped lead Team Russia to a silver medal – he led all scorers with eight points (5-3-8) and was also selected to the Tournament All-Star Team â€¦ won a gold medal at the 2007 Under-18 World Championships â€¦ set the record for goals by a rookie (18) in 2006-07 with Omsk surpassing Pavel Bure’s record (17) set in 1988-89 with the Red Army (CSKA Moscow) â€¦ nicknamed the Siberian Express â€¦ his 29 points as a 17-year-old are more than Pittsburgh’s Evgeni Malkin, Washington’s Alex Ovechkin and Atlanta’s Ilya Kovalchuk scored in their first year in the Russian Super League.

Statistics
Season Team League GP G A PTS PIM
2006-07 Omsk RUS 46 18 11 29 45
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Honest question...did you like Alexei Kovalev as a NYR? Many I know think that is a reasonable comparison for Cherepanov, as is Zherdev. Kids generally fall in the draft for a reason. The Russian transfer arrangement is a major reason, to be certain, but there were enough teams ahead of the Rags that would have taken a chance on him if he were a "superstar". He has "superstar" talent but will we ever see it on a consistent basis?

The same goes with Esposito to the Pens. Could be a gem of a pick....or not.

JR · Jun 24, 2007

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Fly said:

Kids generally fall in the draft for a reason. The Russian transfer arrangement is a major reason, to be certain, but there were enough teams ahead of the Rags that would have taken a chance on him if he were a "superstar". He has "superstar" talent but will we ever see it on a consistent basis?

The same goes with Esposito to the Pens. Could be a gem of a pick....or not.
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Do you know the reason Esposito fell so far? Attitude? Work ethic?

Fly · Jun 24, 2007

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JR said:

Do you know the reason Esposito fell so far? Attitude? Work ethic?
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Yes...Yes...

Wearing a "Git 'R Drunk" T-shirt around the official hotel on the day of the draft, with tonnes of NHL folk wandering about, may not have helped, either.

Huggy · Jun 24, 2007

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Fly said:

JR said:

Do you know the reason Esposito fell so far? Attitude? Work ethic?
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Yes...Yes...

Wearing a "Git 'R Drunk" T-shirt around the official hotel on the day of the draft, with tonnes of NHL folk wandering about, may not have helped, either.
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He didn't get that from you did he, my brother?

What am I saying, Esposito could never appreciate the wonders of Ghetto Blaster.

RedCanuck · Jun 24, 2007

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Hank_Scorpio said:

How good is he?
I think I read he's going to Wisconsin this year to play. I heard he's a smooth skating offensive d-man.
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He certainly is a solid skater and he's good with the puck. Again, I think there might be a question - like Turris about the quality of competition, but if he played in a higher level, I think he might have even been in more demand.

RedCanuck · Jun 24, 2007

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Huggy said:

Doug MacLean was a joke on TSN.

When he wasn't yammering on about losing his job (I'm surprised he had it as long as he did) he was ripping other team's picks becaus his guys didn't like a player. Now I know not every team is going to agree on the merits of every player but aside from his perenially high first-round picks (because he was never close to the playoffs) MacLean's draft record with the Blue Jackets is hardly exemplary.
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Agreed. Some of his comments and those about his organization's views on players makes you think the Blue Jackets made the right choice letting him go. He was neither that entertaining or that insightful.

RedCanuck · Jun 24, 2007

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Beef03 said:

Overall I was a little let down by TSN's performance at the draft, I thought they had done a better job in past years in setting up possible picks for each team, going over their strengths and weaknesses, etc. Just not as in depth this time around.
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Fair comment, though I think they might have been just as taken by the nature of this draft as anyone. Everyone knew coming in this thing could turn into a real crapshoot early.

Beef03 · Jun 24, 2007

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RedCanuck said:

Huggy said:

Doug MacLean was a joke on TSN.

When he wasn't yammering on about losing his job (I'm surprised he had it as long as he did) he was ripping other team's picks becaus his guys didn't like a player. Now I know not every team is going to agree on the merits of every player but aside from his perenially high first-round picks (because he was never close to the playoffs) MacLean's draft record with the Blue Jackets is hardly exemplary.
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Agreed. Some of his comments and those about his organization's views on players makes you think the Blue Jackets made the right choice letting him go. He was neither that entertaining or that insightful.
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Brian Burke was much better in his stint on the pannel. I think they brought MacLean in too soon, he was obviously still bitter about being let go.

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