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Northwestern football players seek to join union

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by lcjjdnh, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    A nice indoor practice facility for the football team is usually built as an inducement for recruits to choose your school over another school. If you get good players, you stand a better chance of winning games. A D-1 football program that wins a lot of games, rakes in a lot of cash. Those facilities are investments. Plus, they are usually funded by wealthy alums. If Joe Blow wants to build a nice basketball arena, what school is going to tell him they don't want his money unless some of it can go to fund women's field hockey.

    A woman's program that makes no money, has nothing to do with the football program, which is profitable. Same as your notion that you could take the money that football earns and pay every student at the university. Why should a school do that? The couple who live next door to me make a shit load of money. We could take their earnings and distribute it to everyone in the building, and they'd still be OK. Does that seem reasonable?
     
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I think you'd be unbelievably wrong on that.

    Most athletic departments don't do much more than break even. A few (Cal being the one I'm familiar with) raid the university's general fund.
     
  3. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    Hit this one on the screws, cran.

    Plenty of students get academic scholarships and grants, too ... but they're not bringing in millions in revenue for their university and the NCAA.
     
  4. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    The neighbor thing is apples and car batteries to a university's athletic program. Unless, of course, the university doesn't co-mingle revenues and expenses when doing the books for the entire athletic department.

    But, as cran mentioned, the simplest solution seems to be treating university employees and student-athletes differently. Perhaps schools can sell it this way. Football players are employees and get a cut of the revenues they produce. Field hockey, you're welcome to unionize too. But realize your program doesn't even break even, so you'll be splitting zero dollars 25 ways among you.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    What do you mean by "co-mingling" revenues. Also, why does that suggest to you that the money that football players account for should be given to students that have nothing to do with the football program?

    Typically if an athletic program is profitable, football and basketball make money and the other sports are losers. They get subsidized by money from football or basketball or from elsewhere. Is that what you mean by "co-mingling of revenues" and if it is, why is that a reason to take what the football program earns and hand out checks to everyone enrolled at the school?
     
  6. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    If it goes into the athletic department's account, then it's no longer football money. It then belongs to every program in the department. You and your neighbors don't deposit all your paychecks into one account, right? That's why I thought your analogy didn't work.

    And I'm not necessarily in favor of paying every athlete on campus. But I am open to the discussion about it and the pros and cons of it.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Which sports team (and more specifically, who were the players) were directly responsible for those profits?
     
  8. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    The football players, obviously. (Though without the imprimatur of the university itself, they wouldn't have done it.) And that's one of the reason I'm not sure if paying all the athletes is the right move.
     
  9. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    The NCAA already says that the billions generated by the money sports is going towards the non-revenue sports, so there's already redistribution, as you put it.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It's not a matter of what you think is the right move.

    If I am a football player at Alabama, I know the leverage I have. Sure, the Alabama name drives revenue and profits, but without talented football players that win a ton of games, that name is only worth so much.

    Under the current system, I may make a calculated decision to allow Alabama to make a ton of money off my talent and work, because the NFL is in cahoots with the NCAA and won't allow me in without doing a free apprenticeship.

    It doesn't mean I am happy about that set up. It's just the calculated decision I have made given the choices I have to work with -- currently. If I can change those choices, though, knowing the leverage I have. ... I know that my talent and work on the football field are worth a lot of money -- someone is already making a ton of money from what I do -- and I am going to want to see some of that money -- as much of it as my leverage allows me to negotiate for myself.

    That is what is in play here.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    As per my post above. ... if I am a football player for a football program earning millions of dollars off my talent and work, I could give a rats ass what the "NCAA says." I know what I am worth, and I have no reason to dilute my worth if given the chance at a fair negotiation. I am not there to benefit someone else who doesn't have the same negotiating leverage I have (for example, a water polo player whose sport needs to be subsidized in order to exist).
     
  12. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    THey don't break even because they're paying their top coaches millions of dollars and flying their teams first-class across the country.

    Besides, the schools and NCAA are about to get hundreds of millions of dollars in additional revenue once the college football playoff begins. Which is money on top of what they're already making and expensing. Plenty of money to give the athletes a stipend.
     
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