NY Daily News: Ankiel linked to HGH

Armchair_QB · Sep 7, 2007

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

I did read through the whole thread and somebody made a comment about Albert Pujols getting away clean again, or something to that effect. I'm not going to go look it up, but this is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Find one tiny bit of evidence that Pujols has ever used any PEDs other than his performance on the field and the fact that he is a fairly big guy. Just one bit. I know I haven't seen it yet.
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Well he plays for a manager who has had an awful lot of guys who have admitted to using it or been caught doing so. It's also really funny how the pitchers they sign seem to suddenly revive their careers there. I'm sure that's got nothing to do with PEDs because we all know pitchers don't use them...
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Wow, is that ever a ridiculously unfair stretch. Pitchers suddenly got better in Atlanta when Leo Mazzone was there, too. So I guess every pitcher Mazzone ever helped must be on steroids or HGH, too, right? Bullshit.

Who has LaRussa had get busted or admit use? Canseco admitted it. Ankiel has now been busted. I'll even give you McGwire, though there is no admission or positive test there. That's three. No way is that a basis to accuse Pujols just because he plays for LaRussa. That would be incredibly unfair to Pujols even if LaRussa had managed 100 proven steroid users.

Take off the Cubbies fanboy glasses for five seconds and actually think about what you are typing. And if you think that is an unfair accusation against you, that you can't see past your team loyalty and the hatred of the Cardinals that comes with it? Well, if the accusation being unfair isn't going to stop you, why should it stop me?
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Too many coincidences for me. They're as dirty as anybody else in the league. Throw in the fact that LaRussa is a sanctimonious prick (see the "I'll start swinging this fungo" line) and they deserve every bit of negative speculation they're getting.

The Big Ragu · Sep 7, 2007

BYH said:

Oh and I also look forward to the reaction of JDV's buddy cranberry, who sniffed a few weeks ago that the Daily News and T.J. Quinn, et al, did "one" piece on steroids a few years ago.

Just one? Guess they showed you.
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He'll ignore it, hoist an unsubstantiated allegation of wrongdoing on the part of the NY Daily News and then write something condescending toward you, BYH. It's all in a day of message board posting.

Moderator1 · Sep 7, 2007

Life in HappyTown, I like to call it!

Tom Petty · Sep 7, 2007

Moderator1 said:

See, SJ com is an educational tool.

You have the right to disagree with whomever you want. Can't you do it by saying "I disagree and here's why." Or "that's a flawed argument and here's why?"

There seems to be way too many full of shits and fuck yous and you sucks and more in your posts.

In short, it is possible to disagree without being a dick about it.

DBD - the SJ motto. Don't be a dick.
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then maybe you should reread.

writing: "driving 60 in a 50 is not the equiv. of taking hgh, period" is not being a dick.

when somebody denies that fact three or four times, what are they? full of shit?

there were no fuck yous and no you sucks.

outofplace · Sep 7, 2007

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

I did read through the whole thread and somebody made a comment about Albert Pujols getting away clean again, or something to that effect. I'm not going to go look it up, but this is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Find one tiny bit of evidence that Pujols has ever used any PEDs other than his performance on the field and the fact that he is a fairly big guy. Just one bit. I know I haven't seen it yet.
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Well he plays for a manager who has had an awful lot of guys who have admitted to using it or been caught doing so. It's also really funny how the pitchers they sign seem to suddenly revive their careers there. I'm sure that's got nothing to do with PEDs because we all know pitchers don't use them...
Click to expand...

Wow, is that ever a ridiculously unfair stretch. Pitchers suddenly got better in Atlanta when Leo Mazzone was there, too. So I guess every pitcher Mazzone ever helped must be on steroids or HGH, too, right? Bullshit.

Who has LaRussa had get busted or admit use? Canseco admitted it. Ankiel has now been busted. I'll even give you McGwire, though there is no admission or positive test there. That's three. No way is that a basis to accuse Pujols just because he plays for LaRussa. That would be incredibly unfair to Pujols even if LaRussa had managed 100 proven steroid users.

Take off the Cubbies fanboy glasses for five seconds and actually think about what you are typing. And if you think that is an unfair accusation against you, that you can't see past your team loyalty and the hatred of the Cardinals that comes with it? Well, if the accusation being unfair isn't going to stop you, why should it stop me?
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Too many coincidences for me. They're as dirty as anybody else in the league. Throw in the fact that LaRussa is a sanctimonious prick (see the "I'll start swinging this fungo" line) and they deserve every bit of negative speculation they're getting.
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I think you just proved my point. I was hoping you might reconsider and rise above the fanboyishness. Guess not. You just keep on hating Pujols for beating on your favorite team so much. Perhaps the rest of us can have a serious conversation about Ankiel, against whom there is actual evidence.

Tom Petty · Sep 7, 2007

Moderator1 said:

Tom, cool it. Are you trying to rival boots?
If you can't have a discussion without the rancor, find another place to hang out.
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and that's cool on this end, dog. you wanna boots me for the sake of saving face for cranberry?

i will go find another place to hang out.

Armchair_QB · Sep 7, 2007

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

I did read through the whole thread and somebody made a comment about Albert Pujols getting away clean again, or something to that effect. I'm not going to go look it up, but this is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Find one tiny bit of evidence that Pujols has ever used any PEDs other than his performance on the field and the fact that he is a fairly big guy. Just one bit. I know I haven't seen it yet.
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Well he plays for a manager who has had an awful lot of guys who have admitted to using it or been caught doing so. It's also really funny how the pitchers they sign seem to suddenly revive their careers there. I'm sure that's got nothing to do with PEDs because we all know pitchers don't use them...
Click to expand...

Wow, is that ever a ridiculously unfair stretch. Pitchers suddenly got better in Atlanta when Leo Mazzone was there, too. So I guess every pitcher Mazzone ever helped must be on steroids or HGH, too, right? Bullshit.

Who has LaRussa had get busted or admit use? Canseco admitted it. Ankiel has now been busted. I'll even give you McGwire, though there is no admission or positive test there. That's three. No way is that a basis to accuse Pujols just because he plays for LaRussa. That would be incredibly unfair to Pujols even if LaRussa had managed 100 proven steroid users.

Take off the Cubbies fanboy glasses for five seconds and actually think about what you are typing. And if you think that is an unfair accusation against you, that you can't see past your team loyalty and the hatred of the Cardinals that comes with it? Well, if the accusation being unfair isn't going to stop you, why should it stop me?
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Too many coincidences for me. They're as dirty as anybody else in the league. Throw in the fact that LaRussa is a sanctimonious prick (see the "I'll start swinging this fungo" line) and they deserve every bit of negative speculation they're getting.
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I think you just proved my point. I was hoping you might reconsider and rise above the fanboyishness. Guess not. You just keep on hating Pujols for beating on your favorite team so much. Perhaps the rest of us can have a serious conversation about Ankiel, against whom there is actual evidence.
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I think I'll continue to join in the serious conversation. Last time I checked this was still a free country.

Why this comes as a shock to anyone is a mystery to me. LaRussa has a history of condoning this type of activity.

Moderator1 · Sep 7, 2007

Tom Petty said:

cranberry said:

Tom Petty said:

and you are full of shit, period. stop bogging down the discussion with stupidity. taking hgh is not something to be taken as lightly as speeding ... that was the coorelation you were making, don't deny it.
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If you would like to join what has been a nice, civil discussion about an interesting topic, I'd be happy to entertain any thoughts you have on the subject. If you're going to be foul-mouthed and argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, I'm going to stop responding to you. Simple as that.
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and you still are full of shit. go ahead and stop responding ... but you made a stupid point, period.
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Nope, no fuck yous - in this one. But a full of shit.

boots · Sep 7, 2007

Moderator1 said:

Tom, cool it. Are you trying to rival boots?
If you can't have a discussion without the rancor, find another place to hang out.
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What is your issue Moddy? Do you need a hug or something? Does every one of your posts have to include me? You have a personal issue with me, you know how to PM and if you want conversation, take the blocker off. I don't post and you throw me in the mix.
LET IT GO!
As for Ankiel, I believe this story is stuck until he talkss or produces the drugs to show they haven't been used.

Write-brained · Sep 7, 2007

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

Armchair_QB said:

outofplace said:

I did read through the whole thread and somebody made a comment about Albert Pujols getting away clean again, or something to that effect. I'm not going to go look it up, but this is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Find one tiny bit of evidence that Pujols has ever used any PEDs other than his performance on the field and the fact that he is a fairly big guy. Just one bit. I know I haven't seen it yet.
Click to expand...

Well he plays for a manager who has had an awful lot of guys who have admitted to using it or been caught doing so. It's also really funny how the pitchers they sign seem to suddenly revive their careers there. I'm sure that's got nothing to do with PEDs because we all know pitchers don't use them...
Click to expand...

Wow, is that ever a ridiculously unfair stretch. Pitchers suddenly got better in Atlanta when Leo Mazzone was there, too. So I guess every pitcher Mazzone ever helped must be on steroids or HGH, too, right? Bullshit.

Who has LaRussa had get busted or admit use? Canseco admitted it. Ankiel has now been busted. I'll even give you McGwire, though there is no admission or positive test there. That's three. No way is that a basis to accuse Pujols just because he plays for LaRussa. That would be incredibly unfair to Pujols even if LaRussa had managed 100 proven steroid users.

Take off the Cubbies fanboy glasses for five seconds and actually think about what you are typing. And if you think that is an unfair accusation against you, that you can't see past your team loyalty and the hatred of the Cardinals that comes with it? Well, if the accusation being unfair isn't going to stop you, why should it stop me?
Click to expand...

Too many coincidences for me. They're as dirty as anybody else in the league. Throw in the fact that LaRussa is a sanctimonious prick (see the "I'll start swinging this fungo" line) and they deserve every bit of negative speculation they're getting.
Click to expand...

I think you just proved my point. I was hoping you might reconsider and rise above the fanboyishness. Guess not. You just keep on hating Pujols for beating on your favorite team so much. Perhaps the rest of us can have a serious conversation about Ankiel, against whom there is actual evidence.
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As a phanboy looser, my reaction is the opposite. I think this is more pervasive than just a few players and I'm waiting on the other shoe to drop. I look at the teams I root for (Philly-based) and the players who've made quick (McNabb) and even miraculous (T.O.) comebacks and can't help but wonder ...

Bottom line is we're probably wrong if we think it's just guys on other teams ...

markvid · Sep 7, 2007

Wonder if Ankiel gets a standing o from the lemmings ala Tony after the DUI.
Hey, you win, kill someone for all we care!

Fenian_Bastard · Sep 7, 2007

The Big Ragu said:

BYH said:

Oh and I also look forward to the reaction of JDV's buddy cranberry, who sniffed a few weeks ago that the Daily News and T.J. Quinn, et al, did "one" piece on steroids a few years ago.

Just one? Guess they showed you.
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He'll ignore it, hoist an unsubstantiated allegation of wrongdoing on the part of the NY Daily News and then write something condescending toward you, BYH. It's all in a day of message board posting.
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You honestly don't have a problem with the substance of this NYDN piece "linking" Ankiel to HgH, even though in Paragraph 10, it is revealed that he a) did nothing wrong, and b) that not even the investigators think he did anything criminal?

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