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NYT Obliterates Lolo Jones

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Boom_70, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    HolleyMangold ‏@HolleyMangold

    its crazy @lolojones gets flack for being an attractive athlete and I get flack for not being attractive enough #theresnopleasingeveryone
     
  2. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    Flack? I think she means "fame."
     
  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    No kidding. We're talking one negative column here, and it's the end of Lolo Jones' world to some people.

    I think it's telling that Jones chose to focus on that criticism instead of the hundreds of media members who have supported her. Not telling because it's a moral defect. Telling because she knows two of the sources are her fellow competitors. Something wasn't right there.
     
  4. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    I think it's telling that so many members of the media supported her. Most of the columns that I read focused more on Jones finishing 4th than they did on the Medal winners.
     
  5. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    Boom's worlds just collided.
     
  6. Shoeless Joe

    Shoeless Joe Active Member

    Good for the Times (and anyone else) for calling out Longman. It was a bullshit piece that served no purpose other than to be a hatchet job.
     
  7. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    The Times Sports section has really lost it's direction. Tom Jolly must be really enjoying this.
     
  8. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Oh, I don't think that's telling. Sportswriters are the ultimate navel gazers, Boom. That's what this site is. You give them a chance to critique their own -- while also espousing vaguely liberal ideas about the financial rights of a beautiful woman -- and shit, you're cooking with gas. Hell, Plaschke was so sympathetic he ended his column like this:

    <i>"Now I've had two bittersweet Olympics," Jones said. "I'm like, man every time I come here, I get burned.… I don't know.… I'll always think, what could I have done differently.''

    Nothing.</i>

    I mean, hell, Plaschke. She coulda finished <i>third</i>, right?
     
  9. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    I've stated in this thread that I didn't like Longman's column, but that note from the public editor is far, far worse. That is a complete freaking joke.

    Is that where we are today? That a guy like Longman with a long and lengthy record of excellent reporting can be publicly ripped by his own newspaper because his column is "too harsh?" Are there factual mistakes? No. Is he being accused of fabrication? No. Plagiarism? No. Misquoting someone? No.

    Why should the public editor be allowed to weigh in on something like that? Longman clearly had reason to write the column as Harper and Wells came out and admitted their dislike and jealousy for Jones on NBC. If anything, that makes Longman's work look even more truthful.

    A few years ago, the CBC ombudsman forwarded a complaint about I piece I did. I responded with some data backing up my work and it ended there. Aren't we always told truth is the best defence?

    Maybe people didn't like what he wrote. Clearly, Jones was hurt. But no one at your own paper should be allowed to dump on you like that. If you're accurate and journalistically sound, that's enough.
     
  10. Shoeless Joe

    Shoeless Joe Active Member

    If Longman had written a story about friction between Harper and Wells and Jones and quoted the parties, I wouldn't have so much of a problem. He is reporting news and using sources. What he wrote was just his own personal rip.
     
  11. lcjjdnh

    lcjjdnh Well-Known Member

    I find Brisbane is pretty terrible at his job, but I'm not sure I agree with the thrust of your critique. Neither accuracy nor "journalistic[] sound[ness]"--whatever that even means, since it sounds somewhat circular--should provide an absolute defense from criticism. Plenty of things journalists have done because they've always done them may simply be wrong, even if technically "ethical" (and, inversely, some "unethical" things might actually be good)--as I frequently try to point out on the journalism board. If media organizations really want to serve readers, they should continually reexamine what they're doing. And, although this could hurt their public perception, ultimately, I'll trust a paper more if I know they're willing to subject their reporters to the occasional public flogging (when that reporter does something wrong, which I'm not necessarily saying Longman did here).
     
  12. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    eliot you must not read The Times public editor much. I found his critique consistent with how he usually handles this type of story.
     
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