Obama announcement at 10:30 p.m. - Bin Laden Dead

LongTimeListener · May 4, 2011

rmanfredi said:

Late reply thanks to lunch, but...

dooley_womack1 said:

rmanfredi said:

dooley_womack1 said:

OK, fuck all this sophistry. Let's play the hypothetical. It is found that Osama, unarmed, begged for his life and offered the SEALs cookies and milk. Said SEALs followed orders and blew him away, anyway.

What do you want to happen then?
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Depends on if the cookies were homemade or store-bought.
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Homemade. With sprinkles.
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I would have expected him to make "Death by Chocolate to America Cake", myself.
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He is obviously trying to kill them with trans fats.

2muchcoffeeman · May 4, 2011

printdust said:

Bush favored the torture that worked.
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And another printdust talking point eats shit and dies ... which he should be used to by now.

The senior administration official told reporters on Sunday that “for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location.” It took until “four years ago” — 2007, then — for intelligence officials to learn al-Kuwaiti’s real name. By then, President Bush had ceased waterboarding and shuttered the black sites, moving the detainees within them, including Mohammed and al-Libbi, to Guantanamo Bay. In a Monday interview (with NewsMax, no less--2mcm), Donald Rumsfeld said “normal” interrogation techniques were used at Gitmo on those detainees.

If this timeline is correct — and there may be a lot of adjustment to it in the days and years to come — then that means waterboarding and other abusive techniques failed to get the name out of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libbi.
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/surveillance-not-waterboarding-led-to-bin-laden/

And here's the lead from NewsMax, PD: "Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through 'normal interrogation approaches' and says the notion that terrorist suspects were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay is a 'myth.' "

Mark McGwire · May 4, 2011

2muchcoffeeman said:

printdust said:

Bush favored the torture that worked.
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And another printdust talking point eats shit and dies ... which he should be used to by now.

The senior administration official told reporters on Sunday that for years, we were unable to identify his true name or his location. It took until four years ago 2007, then for intelligence officials to learn al-Kuwaitis real name. By then, President Bush had ceased waterboarding and shuttered the black sites, moving the detainees within them, including Mohammed and al-Libbi, to Guantanamo Bay. In a Monday interview (with NewsMax, no less--2mcm), Donald Rumsfeld said normal interrogation techniques were used at Gitmo on those detainees.

If this timeline is correct and there may be a lot of adjustment to it in the days and years to come then that means waterboarding and other abusive techniques failed to get the name out of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Faraj al-Libbi.
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/surveillance-not-waterboarding-led-to-bin-laden/

And here's the lead from NewsMax, PD: "Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through 'normal interrogation approaches' and says the notion that terrorist suspects were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay is a 'myth.' "
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Good luck stopping the Zombie Lie.

CarltonBanks · May 4, 2011

Stoney said:

RickStain said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the White House has announced the photos will not be released.
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What the hell, another next day backflip?

I'm an Obama voter and supporter, but I must admit to being puzzled by the signals from the White House the last couple days. First, we get the reporting of embellished false details that had to be retracted the next day, now we get the "no photo, OK we will produce a photo, wait no photo..." daily wishy wash game. That shit communicates a terrible message to the world of a White House staff that ain't on the some page and doesn't have it's act together. Are they TRYING to take the wind from the sails of their greatest triumph?

And why not release a photo? Do they think the world will just blindly accept their word without seeing some sort of proof? Of course it'll be gruesome, but if it's gotta be done.... And eventually this very likely WILL have to be done: amazing how much traction this dumbassed "deather" thing has gained worldwide in only a couple days. Is the White House really gonna let that fester, catch fire and grow into a bona fide movement until they're FORCED to release some proof? You know, like they did with the birth certificate and the birther crap. I don't get it.

But more importantly, from now on, White House, could you please refrain from reporting facts and decisions to the world until you're ABSOLUTELY SURE they're correct or your mind is made up?
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It's called "on-the-job training." This is what you get when the man in charge is learning as he goes.

LongTimeListener · May 4, 2011

CarltonBanks said:

Stoney said:

RickStain said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the White House has announced the photos will not be released.
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What the hell, another next day backflip?

I'm an Obama voter and supporter, but I must admit to being puzzled by the signals from the White House the last couple days. First, we get the reporting of embellished false details that had to be retracted the next day, now we get the "no photo, OK we will produce a photo, wait no photo..." daily wishy wash game. That shit communicates a terrible message to the world of a White House staff that ain't on the some page and doesn't have it's act together. Are they TRYING to take the wind from the sails of their greatest triumph?

And why not release a photo? Do they think the world will just blindly accept their word without seeing some sort of proof? Of course it'll be gruesome, but if it's gotta be done.... And eventually this very likely WILL have to be done: amazing how much traction this dumbassed "deather" thing has gained worldwide in only a couple days. Is the White House really gonna let that fester, catch fire and grow into a bona fide movement until they're FORCED to release some proof? You know, like they did with the birth certificate and the birther crap. I don't get it.

But more importantly, from now on, White House, could you please refrain from reporting facts and decisions to the world until you're ABSOLUTELY SURE they're correct or your mind is made up?
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It's called "on-the-job training." This is what you get when the man in charge is learning as he goes.
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I would love to go back in time and hear Carlton's appraisal when the Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman stories turned out to be total flag-waving lies.

Starman · May 4, 2011

CarltonBanks said:

Stoney said:

RickStain said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the White House has announced the photos will not be released.
Click to expand...

What the hell, another next day backflip?

I'm an Obama voter and supporter, but I must admit to being puzzled by the signals from the White House the last couple days. First, we get the reporting of embellished false details that had to be retracted the next day, now we get the "no photo, OK we will produce a photo, wait no photo..." daily wishy wash game. That shit communicates a terrible message to the world of a White House staff that ain't on the some page and doesn't have it's act together. Are they TRYING to take the wind from the sails of their greatest triumph?

And why not release a photo? Do they think the world will just blindly accept their word without seeing some sort of proof? Of course it'll be gruesome, but if it's gotta be done.... And eventually this very likely WILL have to be done: amazing how much traction this dumbassed "deather" thing has gained worldwide in only a couple days. Is the White House really gonna let that fester, catch fire and grow into a bona fide movement until they're FORCED to release some proof? You know, like they did with the birth certificate and the birther crap. I don't get it.

But more importantly, from now on, White House, could you please refrain from reporting facts and decisions to the world until you're ABSOLUTELY SURE they're correct or your mind is made up?
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It's called "on-the-job training." This is what you get when the man in charge is learning as he goes.
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Yeah, if he was a really seasoned, smart, experienced executive leader, he would have waited seven years and done nothing.

secretariat · May 4, 2011

CarltonBanks said:

It's called "on-the-job training." This is what you get when the man in charge is learning as he goes.
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Which president hasn't learned on the job? Which had every answer for every situation going in? None of them? OK, then.

Think before you type, because that was seriously the dumbest fucking thing posted on this thread. And I'm including printdust's posts.

trifectarich · May 4, 2011

bigpern23 said:

Lindsey Graham makes a solid argument for releasing the photos, I think.

Via CNN.com:
. . . But the best way to protect and defend our interests overseas is to prove that fact to the rest of the world. . . .
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Frankly, I don't care if anyone wants to believe he's still alive.

Inky_Wretch · May 4, 2011

trifectarich said:

bigpern23 said:

Lindsey Graham makes a solid argument for releasing the photos, I think.

Via CNN.com:
. . . But the best way to protect and defend our interests overseas is to prove that fact to the rest of the world. . . .
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Frankly, I don't care if anyone wants to believe he's still alive.
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One of bin Laden's daughters who was there confirmed he was killed. His terrorist organization has vowed revenge.

If he's still alive, then they're doing a hell of a job of playing along with the USA's version of the story.

CarltonBanks · May 4, 2011

secretariat said:

CarltonBanks said:

It's called "on-the-job training." This is what you get when the man in charge is learning as he goes.
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Which president hasn't learned on the job? Which had every answer for every situation going in? None of them? OK, then.

Think before you type, because that was seriously the dumbest fucking thing posted on this thread. And I'm including printdust's posts.
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Sure, because of what? Did someone mention strawmen a few posts ago???

Regardless, I think the problem everyone has with what YF is trying to say is that they think he is trying to "rehabilitate" Bush. Ever stop to think that, maybe, he has a point here? Obama killed the bastard, which is great. However, those who are trying to imply that what Obama did here was right and should not be questioned while, at the same time, refusing to say Bush got quite a bit of credibility back Sunday night are either naive, fooling themselves or lying.
He has not once tried to turn OBL into a sympathetic figure, yet we got some "post of the year" nominations for someone who tried to make that leap in logic. Seriously, do you guys believe half the shit you are shoveling?

Johnny Dangerously · May 4, 2011

A lot of wasted energy and misdirected angst on this thread.

Which I guess pretty much sums up the entire board's rayzon de-etruh.

CarltonBanks · May 4, 2011

Reuters releases death scene photos. I could not get them to load on my computer. Anyone else have any luck, let me know.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/04/us-binladen-pakistan-photos-idUSTRE74370620110504

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