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Oklahoma State coach Gundy blasts Oklahoman columnist

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Precious Roy, Sep 22, 2007.

  1. loveyabye

    loveyabye Guest

    Heard Wilbon on Tirico's show talking about it and his opinion was that college (and high school) athletes should not be criticized so personally. He asked if Carlson was a scout, calling someone soft. They seemed to think she was a cub reporter, ouch. They played a clip of her talking on Good Morning America and Wilbon poked fun at it, saying the point wasn't that she was standing by her facts but that the criticism was inappropriate, because it wasn't for on-the-field play or an arrest or something.
     
  2. D-3 Fan

    D-3 Fan Well-Known Member

    Off-subject but near to this, I have to ask is this common for male sportswriters in the ilk of Wilbon to pooh-pooh a female sportswriter because a). she's a woman (yeah, this is overly played, but it merits an seperate thread) or b). in some twisted way the perception is that she doesn't know shit about what goes on in the locker room?

    Or is that just typical East Coast media who hasn't done their homework and read up on the entire story and take the Lupica route by talking for nothing?
     
  3. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    It's not uncommon for male sportswriters to look down at female ones, esp. when they're not familiar with her work. So I guess I'm saying it's a combination of the two things.
     
  4. Ira_Schoffel

    Ira_Schoffel Member

    So if a man criticizes her he's sexist? Like we're incapable of separating gender from the equation? ... How sexist is that?
     
  5. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    He asked if common for male sportswriters to look down at female ones. I said it was. Never said a man couldn't criticize a woman in this business, but you damn well better leave her gender out of it.
     
  6. writing irish

    writing irish Active Member

    Did she say that?
     
  7. Ira_Schoffel

    Ira_Schoffel Member

    Yes, she did.

    "It's not uncommon for male sportswriters to look down at female ones, esp. when they're not familiar with her work. So I guess I'm saying it's a combination of the two things."
     
  8. writing irish

    writing irish Active Member

    Don't see how that sentence implies that all male criticisms of female sportswriters are based on sexism.
     
  9. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    You are reading something into that statement that isn't there.
     
  10. Ira_Schoffel

    Ira_Schoffel Member

    Then what exactly is the basis for the statement? If not a generalization that men (male reporters in this case) are sexist?
     
  11. writing irish

    writing irish Active Member

    In logical terms,

    Some A are B.
    Are all A therefore B? No.
    (A=criticsms of female sportswriters, B=sexist critiques)

    Some days in March are windy.
    Are all days in March windy?
    Not necessarily.

    Etc.
     
  12. Ira_Schoffel

    Ira_Schoffel Member

    Thanks for the lesson. But I heard Wilbon's comments ... and they sounded very logical. Didn't sound sexist to me.

    Just curious why anyone would assume they were.
     
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