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Oklahoma State coach Gundy blasts Oklahoman columnist

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Precious Roy, Sep 22, 2007.

  1. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Gundy's and idiot:

    By going off like that, he gets a much bigger megaphone than she could ever dream of having with her column. Probably a bigger megaphone than he bargained for. Because of that, now everyone who pays attention to college football thinks Reid is a pussy and Gundy is an idiot. Before, only people who read the Oklahoman (might or might not have) thought that.

    His over-the-top reaction solidified the foundation of her column.
     
  2. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Dr, I respect your opinion, but I have been around D-I football long enough to know that undermining students is a tough way to make a career. They are not professionals.

    A state review committee also said Va Tech fucked up. I have never said a negative word about the students of Va Tech, and I have never made a comment about the relationship between a mother and her son. That falls under the "insensitive" umbrella for me.

    This is a very subjective business, though. As John Wooden once said, "If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking."

    Differences in opinions is what makes this a great message board.
     
  3. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    It said should have alerted students sooner. It didn't say should have cancelled classes or locked down - that's the point you were using in your comparison. And it is a point anyone who knows shit about the VT situation knows is worthless. The campus was already rolling. Locking it down, cancelling classes might have changed the number - maybe even up - and might have changed the faces. But the tragedy was underway when he pulled the trigger for the first time.
    VT is a disaster that needed to be stopped well before April 16. The cracks Cho fell through are too numerous to count.
    Getting in the dig when you got it in, on that Delaware State thread, was as cheap a shot as I've seen.
     
  4. JBHawkEye

    JBHawkEye Well-Known Member

    Getting back to the original point of the thread....

    Gundy's tirade was ridiculous, so was the applause when he was done (I hope none of that was from media members). The comments by some of the fans on Carlson's blog are scary, because they're a bunch of fanboys and fangirls who need to take a serious look at their lives if they take college sports that seriously.
     
  5. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    I did not realize it would have struck such a nerve when I typed it.

    I apologize for that, but I still feel Va Tech's administration was given a little too much of a free pass.
     
  6. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    We thank you. Apologize for the sidetrack, I have serious problems with people who spout off about that situation without knowledge of that situation.

    How is that fan reaction different from any college message board that launches into an attack on that "negative fucking media?"
    There are way too many people way too wrapped up in their "team," and that holds true for any sport, really.
     
  7. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Apology accepted. If you read the threads from the time of the shootings, you'll know why I am both so sensitive to the subject and why I know more than I probably should.

    I would like, perhaps elsewhere, to hear why you think the admin got a free pass. Laws restricted the flow of information so much that the Tech brass could not be informed what it absolutely needed to know.
    I suspect if just a smidge of information about this kid had been able to make its way to the administration, things could have been different. The laws simply have to change.
     
  8. The people on my beat's message board have a big thread going applauding Gundy for finally "giving it to the vultures" and "standing up to those hacks!", etc., etc., etc., etc.

    People are fucking idiots.
     
  9. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Same clowns who e-mail you when you aren't writing enough.
    He sucks. He doesn't write enough.
    He sucks. How could he write that?
     
  10. daemon

    daemon Well-Known Member

    I'm still trying to figure out how, exactly, one person feeds another chicken. . .

    Anyhow, it was a shitty column. I cringe when athletes, coaches and fans invoke the "well, you never played the game," mantra on journalists. But in this instance, the column displays a basic lack of understanding of who athletes are and what they do.

    Carlson writes, "Then, there have been the injuries. No doubt some of Reid's ailments have been severe, including an injured shoulder that required surgery and forced him to redshirt. Other times, though, Reid has been nicked in games and sat it out instead of gutting it out."

    Sorry, but you can't write that. I have no problem if she had attributed it to the coaching staff or the training staff. But it's impossible for a columnist to sit in the press box and determine which athletes are "gutting it out," and which ones aren't. In my opinion, that's irresponsible and unprofessional. Our job is to figure out which "rumors and rumblings" are fact, and which ones aren't. Not to write, "If you listen to the rumors and rumblings. . ."

    Otherwise, I think the column's chief flaw is that it's horribly constructed. It's not so much a problem of material - apart from the injury stuff - it's that the way it's packaged comes across as, "Neener, neener, neener, Bobby Reid's mom feeds him chicken, so he's a pussy."

    That said, the coach's reaction is obviously over the top. Say your piece. Say it professionally, and get on with life.
     
  11. Chi City 81

    Chi City 81 Guest

    NFL columnists do it all the time when they question a player's "injuries."
     
  12. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Like Westbrook's knee today and Mannings shoulder last week?

    But once again, those are pros.
     
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