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Op-Ed Sections, Threat or Menace?

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Michael_ Gee, Jun 4, 2020.

  1. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I don't think he's fired, no. But publishing some other column is a concession/patronization, too.

    It's kind of like, to not be accused of being Trump-adjacent or whatever, you have to provide an extended disclaimer before critiquing the left. That's the price of admission, in some circles, to being viewed as a decent person.
     
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  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    I honestly think it's a very big deal to invoke the Insurrection Act in order to put regular army or federalized National Guard on American streets - without reference to party politics.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  4. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

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    Azrael Well-Known Member

  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Even on this. ... she figures that if she insists on the history she wants (that fits her ideology), everyone else has to accept it as true. And if you don't. ... well, racist(?).

    I have no idea what happened. I wasn't in the room. And in the grand scheme of things it's really inconsequential, to me at least.

    But that original piece? ... it's kind of like a "well duh" at this point.

    Societally, we are under attack. It's not a "liberal" or "conservative" thing, because you have people on both "sides" who are trying to rewrite history and force feed their preferred ideology on everyone else by attacking the truth. One side has taken over the Sunday churches and small town coffee shops with their narratives (and in many cases, outright lies). The other has taken over elitist institutions like Ivy League universities and national newspapers.

    That is the "side" that piece is focused on. It's sad, but we now have institutions in higher education and journalism that are supposed to be dedicated to objectivity and the truth, but instead have been under attack and are failing as a result. If you resist them. ... you get marginalized and canceled, and as a result they have turned themselves into echo chambers. If you try to start your own institution to take up the mission they are now failing at (truth, objectivity), they attack your integrity and come after you hard to try to destroy you.

    As a result, research universities exist now -- at least, in part -- to reach preordained conclusions that fit some narrative or ideology. In their classrooms, you get cases of professors teaching only lessons that are consistent with a preferred "liberal" ideology (which their students have now been raised on). ... even when those lessons contradict the empirical foundations of the discipline they are supposed to be teaching.

    In the case of the NY Times, Washington Post, etc. by and large? There are now important stories that they only report AFTER they have become common knowledge, because the preconceived ideas and ideologies of the people in their newsrooms prevented them from being objective.

    I am not trying to overstate it. Those newspapers still do SOME good work. But they have slowly been destroying themselves from within.
     
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  8. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    So your thought is the reaction to naming a sandwich from CfA might be made up? Overstated?
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    My thought is there are lots of ways this might have played out, including but not limited to

    - it's factually true and happened exactly as Rubenstein describes it.

    - it's sort of true, ie, some version of it happened, but Rubenstein is leaving out some salient fact. (as he did with the Wong citation)

    - it's sort of true, ie, the HR person steering the orientation made a joke in the room at the time, and the other orientees went along with it, ironically snapping their fingers.

    - it's a little true, ie, Rubenstein attempted a lame joke in the orientation, was responded to in some way by others in the room, and has recast the story to make himself look better.

    - it's factually untrue, a corporate HR wonk would never make that joke or statement to new hires, and Rubenstein is presenting a joke he later told as fact.
     
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  10. SixToe

    SixToe Well-Known Member

    As an aside, the Super Heebster (extra wasabi roe, please) from Russ & Daughters and the CFA spicy chicken are both pretty good. I'll be having the former in a couple of months when we return.
     
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  11. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Can confirm. The mighty, mighty Super Heebster is a great sandwich.*

    (When Rubenstein starts his orientation story, one sort of anticipates him saying he's uncomfortable pronouncing the name of the sandwich out loud. Sadly, no. It's this other thing.)

    A high-quality local variant of the spicy chicken can had around the corner at Sweet Chick - although the Platonic ideal of the form in New York City is likely Pies 'n Thighs, across the bridge.


    *next time you visit to get one, walk up Houston to the Gelato Lab for dessert.
     
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  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    They don't do the Super Heebster there, either. They commit genocide.
     
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