Ortiz, ManRam tested positive in 2003?

Lots of people steal, but you can't be sure about everybody, so we shouldn't arrest those who we can prove committed the crime. :

Sorry, I don't buy that line of logic. Can HOF voters know every person who used steroids and judge them accordingly? No. But the ones who they KNOW used steroids shouldn't sniff the HOF. Steroid users are as big of a threat to the integrity of the competition as gamblers and both should be banned for life.

I guarantee if you made it a lifetime ban for a single positive test, steroids would virtually disappear from the game. But no one has the balls to do that.

Ortiz is a hypocrite and a liar. He's "shocked" (SHOCKED!) to find out he tested positive? They informed all the players who tested positive of their results back in 2003. So, no, he's not shocked. He doesn't need to go to the players union to "confirm" the positive test. He needed time to talk to his handlers to come up with a strategy for how to deal with the shit storm.

Oh, and Nomar's name will be released soon enough and he knows it. That's why he started on his defense yesterday with his bullshit about "I know a lot of guys who just didn't take the test to drive up the numbers. Are their names on the list?" No, Nomar, players who didn't take the test were not put on that list, so when your name is announced, you cannot say that you just didn't take the test to help reach the 5 percent.

 

Oh, and yesterday, Skip Bayless showed just how completely clueless he is about life. He said he thought Ortiz should sue (who he should sue Bayless didn't say) because this news damages his reputation. Bayless went so far as to say Ortiz has a great case.

Um, no, Skip he doesn't. The news is TRUE. You can't sue anyone for defamation if what they are saying is TRUE. A reporter should know that.

 

However, assuming his name really is on this magic list, someone did break the law by leaking his name. I guess he could sue that guy.

 

Agreed. There was a legal agreement that the names would not be released. There is obviously damage to Ortiz caused by the violation of that agreement. If he could find out who leaked it and prove it, it certainly does seem like he would have a case.

 

Good points ... Perhaps I just misunderstood him. It didn't sound like he was referring to the legality of leaking the name, so much as it was a matter of defamation.

 

Yes, and the fans would certainly give a crap about that.

 

I don't really care whether the fans give a crap or not. If somebody broke the law by releasing these names he or she can be held criminally liable.

 

Bingo. This is the real story here. That ballplayers seven years ago may have used some substance that they knew (or quite possibly didn't know) was illegal is a minor issue relative to a) the illegal wholesale seizure of confidential employer-employee drug testing results, and b) the even more reprehensible leaking of names associated with those results by corrupt, agenda-driven lawyers.

 

Is it more reprehensible now for Ortiz than it was for Arod?

 

Are you really this Fucking naive? To put one team over another in this era is ridiculous, but I know, it's your Yankees we are talking about so there is no way any of them could be taking steroids. Go ahead bury your head in the sand just like everybody else did throughout this whole era.

 

deep breath, OK? Not what I said, but again, I don't believe it was everyone, just a substantial majority. I condemn in my mind when I hear evidence. So, yes, I think you can. I take greater satisfaction doing it because of all the Boston fans who relished the Arod stuff earlier this year. Ortiz & Manny were those teams. Look back at the '96 Yanks & tell me who you think is dirty. are you throwing out the '90 Reds? How far back do you want to go?

 

Hers the thing Guy, I don't throw out any of them. I understand a yankee fan wanting to gloat, Red Sox fans were insufferable when it came to A-rod but from someone who is a fan of neither team I just don't think any of these titles are tainted. The whole era is tainted. In regards to the 96 Yankees, I will assume that quite a few were on it, just like I assume that quite a few on each and every team were on it. We've learned you can't just judge by body type. I do find it naive when fans think that there is no way anybody on my team could be doing them.