Ortiz, ManRam tested positive in 2003?

You're not wrong, but what I prefer is to await evidence before condemning anyone. the whole thing makes me annoyed more than angry.

 

and in a court of law I'd agree. This is just public opinion and in my opinion more were doing them then weren't.

 

Oh, I don't mean court of law, and I don't mean hard evidence, but I'm not going to in my mind, condemn people who I have no reason to think juiced.

 

Fair enough, I guess I'm so immune to it, that I don't really care if they did or didn't. Maybe I'm jaded but I think there are a lot more that have used some form of PED's then haven't. This doesn't even take into account HGH.

 

It is illegal, yes. But as a baseball fan I am sick and fucking tired of these names being released in dribs and drabs. It's almost like someone's toying with the game itself and with the MLB offices. When the pennant races start heating up, whoa! Here's another name. The postseason kicks in and it's one of the best in history, whoops! Here comes the wet blanket with one or two more names.

Get the names out there all at once. Yes, the short-term damage to the game might be big, but at least we could try to move on from it (unless, God forbid, we have more users out there now).

 

Heard an angle on testing I hadn't though of before on the radio yesterday, apparently it's what is done in track and field.

Keep the samples indefinitely. That way, guys can't use stuff that is untestable now, because presumably the testing will catch up eventually.

 

I believe holding on to samples is a WADA standard. It's not just a track thing.

 

So by this 'logic,' the activities of the corrupt Nixon administration should have gotten a pass b/c so much of the info was illegally leaked to journalists.

 

quite the comparison, watergate and steroids in baseball.

 

So by your logic, it is acceptable to toss out the law when enforcing the law?

 

You obviously can't begin to understand how preposterous this statement is. Otherwise, you wouldn't have posted it. Awesome sense of perspective.

 

Except it isn't all the names. Sure, it is all of the names on that list, but it certainly isn't every player who has taken a banned performance enhancer over the last 10 or 20 years. Releasing the story won't make it go away. Somebody will get caught receiving a package of something he shouldn't have. Or some go-between will get caught and bring out more names. Or Jose Canseco will realize that he has become irrelevant and start tossing out more accusations so he can get the spotlight back.

And then more of these guys will show up on Hall of Fame ballots, and it will start all over again.