Ortiz, ManRam tested positive in 2003?

I'm with you on this. Let's get the 100 names, string 'em up and let's go on to the next sideshow.

 

This story is porn for Yankee fans.

And big props for the Delirious threadjack.

 

By the way, Steve Phillips is a moron.
He's on SportsCenter right now saying the best thing the Sox can do right now to help the situation is make a trade.
I feel bad for all the Mets fans who had to deal with him.

 

It's still hypocritical, nevertheless. He talked like he was above using. Now we know he wasn't.

 

He has long played the role of uneducated Dominican by saying that he took things that he was told to take and had no idea what they were when he was back on the island.

Rhody, Ortiz sounds just as much as a hypocrit as Eliot Spitzer, Larry Craig, John Ensign ...
If he really meant what he said then he should have been along the lines of, "I used to do this but see the dangers of it and think the MLBPA should be strong in its stance against it."

 

A) implementation
B) fanboi

 

Now, does a second mark on Manny effect his HoF status at all?

 

Agreed.

 

I don't think so, simply because holding it against some steroids-era players and not others would be awfully tough. Gaylord Perry was never ejected for his spitball until his 21st season in the majors, and he's in Cooperstown.

 

First of all - affects, not effects.

Second, hell yes it does. He wasn't getting in anyway, but definitely not now.

And you can throw Gaylord Perry at me all you want. One type of cheating is romanticized, one is condemned.

Double standard? Possibly. But for good (albeit reasonably debatable) reasons. Role of cheating through baseball history. Legal issues. Connotations of drugs. Etc., etc., etc.

 

He better get in, he dominated an era where we can safely assume now that most were doing something. If you keep him, Bonds and the like out, you better not induct anybody from the last 25 years.

Before you respond, you can spare me the proof bullshit, the whole era is dirty, the whole game of baseball has been dirty since its inception. Is there an era we can think of that didn't have some sort of issues?

 

You didn't think Manny was getting in anyway? If Bonds and Clemens are going to get in, which they will, then so will Manny. He's one of the best hitters to step on a baseball field.