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Oswalt to Phils? ... The trade-deadline thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by spnited, Jul 29, 2010.

  1. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    And my point is it's not all luck, as you contend.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Here is what I wrote: "I think there are a couple things you can look at. Strikeouts. Ground balls (because you can induce more double plays). Whether a guy can retain his stuff out of the stretch."

    That does not equate to "all luck."
     
  3. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    "Happ was unbelievably lucky last year."

    "At some point that luck runs out."
     
  4. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone thinks Happ is the next Nolan Ryan. But you can't assume he's going to become crappy just because he had a season of aberrant numbers.
     
  5. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Unless the Yankees think that Joba's totally done, I'd highly doubt they'd trade him to an opponent in the division.
     
  6. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Do the Yankees really care that the Blue Jays and Orioles are in their division?
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    He was.

    It is possible that a pitcher may be better from the stretch than other pitchers.

    It is not possible that J.A. Happ will continue to hold batters to a .158 batting average with runners in scoring position.

    That, at least a large margin of it, is luck.
     
  8. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    Are the Phillies committing to picking up the $16 million option that everyone was saying was the holdup?
     
  9. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    No word on that yet guy. Waiting for Oswalt to approve the trade. If he says he'll only approve if option is picked up, then Phils probably get more money from Stros.

    Otherwise, there's about $5 mill owed this year, $16 mill next year and a $2 mill buyout for 2012 (option is worth $16 mill).
     
  10. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    The things I look at when judging a pitcher are home runs allowed and ks per nine innings.

    If a pitcher is giving up more home runs and striking out fewer batters it will eventually be seen in their era and wins and losses.
    Those two stats take all the fielders out of the equasion.

    Good point by Olney that the Yanks are not chasing Oswalt. That should speak volumes.

    Dunn would be a monster in NYC.
     
  11. I Should Coco

    I Should Coco Well-Known Member

    Derrek Lee explains why he vetoed the trade to the Angels:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0729-cubs-derrek-lee-astros-ch20100728,0,793043.story

    From all accounts, Lee is a stand-up, good guy, and I think he's being pretty straight with this answer. Of course, the season he's having doesn't give him the best bargaining position if he wants a new contract with the Cubs.
     
  12. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    - Dunn would be perfect for the Yanks, but he's probably just a rental so I wouldn't give up a ton. If the Angels check the standings in the next couple of days, I'd take Matsui back if he came cheap. No interest in Wigginton who hasn't hit in months. Ross would be great too, but I heard Forida isn't going to trade OFs.

    - Who was it who turned down the trade to the Cubs a few years ago and got ripped by Cubs fans for not wanting to win?
     
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