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Paging Lynn Hoppes ...

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Riptide, Jul 11, 2012.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    There is nothing wrong with being anonymous on here. You don't have to apologize for it.

    But I'd take what you said a step further.

    If I was going to attack someone's character on here (go after them by name) and do a real rip job -- no matter how justified I thought it was, or how much I despised the person -- I'd put my name to it. Or else, I'd stay quiet and bite my tongue.

    First, it's just not that courageous to rip someone anonymously. Second, if I put my name to it, people can evaluate my relationship to the person, what my agenda might be, and whether what I have to say is credible. That is basically why what Schmadtke said had some weight with you. Third, when you put your name to it, your character becomes fair game, too, which is only right when you are attacking someone else's character.

    WriteThinking posted that he had no idea who carrie is, but her rip jobs had a "ring of truth." That really frightened me. You have no idea who she is, and you think, "ring of truth," rather than "what is the agenda here"?

    I can't believe anyone wouldn't have that initial reaction.

    Someone is gone for several years, sees this thread and comes back specifically to call Hoppes, "shady, as lazy and as drama-motivated as they come." That is a really nasty character attack. Forget the stuff he is legitimately getting ripped for on here. She took it to the level of a complete personal skewering. You have no idea who she is. And you think "ring of truth," rather than wondering what her personal agenda might be, or if she has an axe to grind?

    That is the problem with an anonymous character attack on a message board. My hope was that most people had the good sense to look at it critically for what it was. There is no way to know whether what you read is true, false or something in between. You have no idea if the person who posted those things was posting first-hand knowledge of anything, truthful things, distorted hearsay or if they just libeled someone.
     
  2. JRoyal

    JRoyal Well-Known Member

    Wait, something on the Internet might not be true? But I believe everything I read on the Web, esp. SportsJournalists.com.
     
  3. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    Ragu,

    You're full of shit. And you know me, and I'd say 50 percent of the people on this board know who I am, so I feel fine saying that.

    Maybe the "ring of truth" doesn't come from carrie being carrie. Maybe it comes from EVERYONE ELSE on here who has heard the same things, and said so. Maybe it comes from something WT heard himself.

    You don't know shit about this situation, and if you read everything about someone and wonder what the agenda is, well ... I don't believe you do.
     
  4. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    I mean, hey, a quick search tells me that at some point in the past, you said it's not outlandish to think Roger Federer might have used PEDs. What's your agenda?
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Um. Here is the post.

    You are really making a parallel with that post to tell me I am full of shit?

    I posted about how we don't know how PED us is prevalent in tennis. I gave examples of players getting busted, despite the fact that the ATP is not under the scrutiny of other sports and it has buried instances. The reason I mentioned Roger Federer was that someone asked specifically why anyone might think HE might be using. You'd have to be obtuse to interpret that as me ripping Roger Federer. I was suggesting that given the current landscape in sports, it is not OUTLANDISH to think that any athlete MIGHT be using.

    Seriously.
     
  6. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    Which is exactly what I said you said, if you read my post. But what's your agenda in including him in a post along with others who had been busted?

    See how stupid it sounds?

    Want to know what really bugs me? If what carrie posted had been posted about someone who WASN'T a journalist, you'd be writing a 4,000 word post backing every fucking bit of it up. The two-facedness of this place when it comes to a "big name" in journalism drives me batshit. I don't care if he's Lynn Hoppes or if he's the business editor of a small weekly. He's a drain on journalism, those who work under him (non-writer division, thanks, Schmadtke) despise him and most people in the business know it.

    The fact that you don't (since you're not in the business) and don't care but to shred someone who came on and hasn't really hidden who she is after she put herself out there with first-person stories pisses me off. This site and the moderators' need to "protect the big boys" pisses me off even more.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Try to follow the exchange. TSP said PEDs are required to be an elite athlete.

    Ringer picked out Roger Federer. Not me. He asked why you'd think he is using.

    I pointed out that we know PEDs are in tennis. I gave evidence. I said, therefore it is not outlandish to think that anyone is using. I mentioned Roger Federer because that was the name ringer picked.

    If you want to twist yourself into a pretzel to turn that into me ripping Roger Federer, a la what we have seen on this thread, knock yourself out.

    It's ridiculous.
     
  8. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    It was to show how ridiculous it is to throw shade at carrie's post. "what's the agenda?" Really? You can ask that of any post ... but you didn't. You only asked it of the one that showed the truth about Lynn Hoppes.
     
  9. imjustagirl

    imjustagirl Active Member

    Every time I refresh on the HP, I see there's a new post here. By the time I click on this thread, it's gone.

    What's going on?
     
  10. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Excuse me? We're protecting the "big boys?"

    I know Lynn.
    I consider Lynn a friend.
    Even with that, I've let everything go on here because given the nature of the allegations, it is fair game.
    Who are we "protecting?"
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    For what it is worth, I saw something on this thread really bugged me. I stated my opinion.

    As a moderator, I am not protecting anyone. I didn't delete the posts. I haven't touched this thread, except to give my personal opinion.

    I have no reason to "protect" Lynn Hoppes, nor have I been trying to.
     
  12. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    It's one thing to say, even anonymously, "I worked with the guy and hated his guts, thought he was a dipshit, had no respect for him whatsoever, he stole my sandwiches from the fridge and his car smells like vomit.' I think we can all agree that right or wrong, those posts have always been the bedrock of SJ. Opinion laced with ick, but opinion nonetheless.

    To me, it's quite another to post, as Carrie did, a generalized representation of what everyone else thought, a non-provable recitation of his job description and performance (ie what tasks he did and did not do, since I cannot believe she was privy to all of his daily operations), retell a story about a job interview she was not involved in....and state it all as fact.

    And to be honest it made me think of the old baked chicken threads, where everyone felt it was okay to state stories as fact because 'EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S TRUE!!' Everyone doesn't know it's true.
     
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