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Part 10 *(final part)* of McGwire story up on You Tube NOW

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by John D. Villarreal, Jan 5, 2007.

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What percentage of MLB players take "illegal" drugs (including prescriptions)?

  1. Over 70%

    4 vote(s)
    14.8%
  2. 50-70%

    10 vote(s)
    37.0%
  3. 20-50%

    8 vote(s)
    29.6%
  4. 10-20%

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%
  5. 0-10%

    2 vote(s)
    7.4%
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  1. RokSki

    RokSki New Member

    Hmmm. You know, he's going to find out one way or another. I don't think it's a big deal in the grand scheme of things. It's up to you.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Oh lord. Does it matter then that while some guys were making up their own set of rules, the guys who were playing within the actual rules were unfairly disadvantaged? Those players would certainly say the enhanced stats of guys breaking decades old records were "less valuable." For all we know, John's special guest is out of baseball, because he's clean and a someone with less natural talent who's juiced took his spot.

    Serious question. If this is just a simple "choice" and that choice doesn't boil down to "cheating vs. playing within the rules," why aren't the guys who made the choice to use steroids and HGH coming clean and proudly declaring that they used the drugs? Why were they even hiding their usage in the first place?

    Answer: Someone who knows he's breaking the rules, and is pushing the limits of human achievement by cheating methods, does it surreptitiously and then lies about it. Someone who believes he's doing nothing wrong, doesn't hide from his behavior and lie about it.
     
  3. John D. Villarreal

    John D. Villarreal New Member

    "Again, I ask, why should anyone believe either of you? You both have made claims against each other. What proof do you have for us that either of you are credible? You're making claims that he's attempting to get back in to the MLB. He's making claims that you only worked with McGwire for 2-4 weeks. I have no reason to believe either of you for making claims against one another and accusing the other of lying."
    (from Sup)

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    If that is your standard for how you weigh out evidence then I would say let me do the lawyering, ok. Secondly, I never said he is trying to get back into MLB, since he has never BEEN in MLB, nor (if I am remembering correctly) even mention that kind of motivation that was Rokski.

    In any event, seriously I don't care - this should be obvious to any reasonable individual and is easy to check on and the facts will all come out in detail on my site. I am not worried - its really fine.

    Hell, go call Tim Brown and ask him. If you can't see it now I can't help you, but sooner or later you will see I am telling the truth.

    So, that is cool
     
  4. indiansnetwork

    indiansnetwork Active Member

    The truth shall set you free. I just wish some players would get this over with. I totally agree with JDV if these sports leagues really had the interest of the players in mind they would set up studies to find out what products work best and which ones are dangerous in the short term and long term. I don't think it is unfair for a player to seek every advantage he or she can get. I do think it is unfair that these league throw their players under the bus. Instead of helping people all we seem interested in doing is destroying someone because we are jealous of the money they make. Baseball is especially guilty of this and Bud Selig is one of most despicable human being alive because he lies about testing and only did something when congress basically was going to take over his sport.
     
  5. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    Thicker than Ritalin anyway. Have you fellas considered any ADHD management strategies?
     
  6. John D. Villarreal

    John D. Villarreal New Member

    WAAAY more complicated than that & typically in many sports (certainly not all) the guys with the LEAST talent take the most stuff as they need to to keep up.

    Certain sports you HAVE to take stuff
    Certain sports/positions it can help a lot
    Certain sports it may or may not help
    Certain sports I think it hurts
    Certain sports it will definately hurt you

    and there are 100's of drugs of all types so its like what drugs are we even talking about you know

    Whatever
     
  7. John D. Villarreal

    John D. Villarreal New Member

    ABSOFRIGGINLUTELY!!!

    Great post!!!
     
  8. RokSki

    RokSki New Member

    Yep, my bad. It depends on how you define MLB. From what I know, he was in the minor leagues, with an MLB affiliate. Sorry for the discrepancy. This, however, would make my case stronger. Someone with less of a 'foothold' in the bigs has less leverage than someone with greater leverage, so to speak. Emmitt Smith can say something the coach doesn't like; the 53'rd guy can't.
     
  9. RokSki

    RokSki New Member

    Have you seen the length of our posts? You think attention defecit is an issue? :)
     
  10. RokSki

    RokSki New Member

    Indian, this post was even better than the last one.

    You hit the nail on the head. None of the sports leagues care a whole bunch about the players, that's why there are unions in the first place.

    Remember how much baseball profitted from the McGwire-Sosa HR chase? Exactly. Many knew what was going on, and not only didn't discourage it, they encouraged it. You know, post-strike, gotta get the fans back, etc. It made dollars, so it made sense.

    Fast forward to the congressional hearings. Different mood. Public wants a scapegoat. Can't have Bonds, can't catch him. Well, who's head do we get? McGwire's, that's who. This is the mob demanding to burn Frankenstein. MLB is on board because that's what their consumers want. If they wanted HR's again, MLB would be right there. Again, that's why there are unions. You can't trust people profitting from your labors to treat you properly.

    Great post.
     
  11. RokSki

    RokSki New Member

    Rok f's up again. :( My apologies to all, sincerely.
     
  12. indiansnetwork

    indiansnetwork Active Member

    Unfortunately most of the general sports media is not interested in the truth because it would show that people are human and makes mistakes and take risks to make their lives better. Sometimes those risks end up costing them a lot but really it isn't the big of a gamble when you realize they still will have made plenty of money to get out of those mistakes. It is time these sport writers have a reality check and stop acting all high and mighty. This world isn't as cut and dry as it seems and people in general have lots of pressure to preform that unless you are in those positions you have no idea how to handle it. Education will fix this problem but no one wants to talk about education all we want to talk about is destruction. Its time to stop playing games and really find out the truth. If we stopped vilifying these athletes the truth would come and then we could seriously evaluate what is really going on. I love baseball and I have always loved the historical stats but truth is there are so many factors effecting these stats that records seem to be less important then how the athletes at the time accomplish what they did.
     
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