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Part 10 *(final part)* of McGwire story up on You Tube NOW

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by John D. Villarreal, Jan 5, 2007.

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What percentage of MLB players take "illegal" drugs (including prescriptions)?

  1. Over 70%

    4 vote(s)
    14.8%
  2. 50-70%

    10 vote(s)
    37.0%
  3. 20-50%

    8 vote(s)
    29.6%
  4. 10-20%

    3 vote(s)
    11.1%
  5. 0-10%

    2 vote(s)
    7.4%
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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    These are smoke and mirror arguments. Sure, Bud Selig and the owners are culpable. That doesn't obscure the fact that people turned on their TVs in 1998 to watch Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, not Bud Selig.
     
  2. Trouser_Buddah

    Trouser_Buddah Active Member

    When I was married, I knew only bad things would happen when my wife was joined by her special guest.
     
  3. spup1122

    spup1122 Guest

    Posting PM's is completely breaking SportsJournalists.com protocol. Have you gotten Inky's permission to do this?
     
  4. RokSki

    RokSki New Member

    This is fair, but he did not come at you personally like you did at him, IJAG.

    There is a difference.
     
  5. imjustagirl2

    imjustagirl2 New Member

    Well, Inky asked him to answer it here. That JDV opted to do it via PM doesn't post anything that Inky wrote, just JDV.
     
  6. spup1122

    spup1122 Guest

    Fair enough.
     
  7. imjustagirl2

    imjustagirl2 New Member

    I never called him a meathead, or an asshole or anything like that. I questioned his credentials to be taken seriously on this topic. I'm asking for a straightforward answer on that, that us not well-versed in weightlifting would understand. Not just the block "I won three titles" but a layman's terms of what he's accomplished, how long he worked with McGwire, etc.
     
  8. John D. Villarreal

    John D. Villarreal New Member

    Oh GOD! I responded to his Public Q in a PM - ITS MY PM bc I was giving a lot of info out and was not sure "I" wanted it public.

    But after Rokski advised me it was cool I followed my natural inclination to try to get info to YOU ALL in a fair open way at this juncture before I open myself up for more detailed interviews if needed.

    So stow it - its like do you think I do anything right Sup?

    Don't answer that
     
  9. GB-Hack

    GB-Hack Active Member

    Ok, why is the gun being held to Selig's head at this point? Even if he wanted to do anything about it then, which I'm not saying he did because of the show and the revenues, his hands would have been tied anyway by the Union.

    Don Fehr and the rest of the Union leadership were the ones who only allowed drug testing when they were backed into a corner, and the pathetic penalties that were imposed in the first go-around of any testing in MLB were derided. Selig did what he could, but he knew the game couldn't afford another stoppage at the time, and has been trying to push for harsher penalties since the initial implementation of testing.
     
  10. RokSki

    RokSki New Member

    Yes, this is precisely the point. This is no smoke-and-mirrors argument, it goes to the heart of what is being discussed.

    If MLB wanted to put the clamps on McGwire and Sosa then, they could have. Could have threatened to expose them, even without having a steroid program in place. Like this stuff doesn't happen all the time with leaks.

    But of course they didn't do that. They wanted money and customers. Mac and Sosa, if they used, made mistakes. I agree with that. But no one in MLB had the least bit of desire to step in and make them stop. They didn't care. They needed to rebuild their fan base, and this worked.

    It's like having a co-worker or subordinate who has a speed problem but does great work because of their usage. Do you try to help them or just benefit from their productivity? MLB chose to benefit from their productivity. They are on the hook for that, and Indian is, once again, on point.

    These games we cover are played by humans, not robots.
     
  11. Overrated

    Overrated Guest

    Doc, that was absolutely amazing.

    Normally, I reserve "amazing" for stuff connected with The Hoff, but whatever.
     
  12. indiansnetwork

    indiansnetwork Active Member

    Having played baseball my whole life and being involved in power lifting in my past and always looking to get stronger and healthier I can say with 100% certainty that what JDV is talking about is not only correct but the answer to all these problems. Its amazing how the human body can change when you give it the proper nutrition and training. You can't make a Mark McGwire a speed guy but you could make him better and less injury prone which he ended up happening. Unless you have trained for a sport and know what methods are used to get the most out of your body you have no clue what is really going on. I really do not think you should question his qualifications on this subject. If he was not telling the truth he would have to be really good at lying because knowing what I know and I do extensive research on these subject I do not see how it is possible.
     
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