Part 10 (final part) of McGwire story up on You Tube NOW

outofplace · Jan 8, 2007

John D. Villarreal said:

You are flat wrong, again.

You read Stark's column here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2724114&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

Then go and look at my videos (even just 5-10) - which you ADMIT you did not watch, so you don't know what the HELL you are talking about!!

Then look at my posts on this subject in these threads (no NOT yours or the funny pics) AND the poll up top and what do you see in compared to Stark's column???

Answer - a TOOOONNNN of overlap!!

+ "Black Mark" incident

How plausible is it that he or someone he knows read & or watched my stuff when many at ESPN KNOW I am credible?"

Answer - VERY

Oh and "super J's" & wanna-be lawyers here - little evidence help.

When Stark voted or the voting closed has NOTHING to do with the contents of his column TODAY clowns, nothing!!

He may have had all this in his head before, he may have written this column a month ago, he may have never watched or looked at anything I did.

Yet, eerily all of these columns, headlines, & comments start popping up echoing my thoughts & arguments from respected national J's and I know more are coming.

Is it plausible that they saw some of my stuff as it directly relates and yes I HAVE expertise on training, MLB drug & supplement usage, elite sports, Mark, and the law?

HELL YES!!!

Either way, my arguments seem to be winning the day and it looks like people are going to change their mind on this issue. So, maybe next year this could affect the vote &/or coverage (or in future years).

This also proves that my arguments & insights HAVE SERIOUS credibility - just as I have proven I have credibility. There is no where to go.

Many of you lost a good chance for great columns before the vote is announced and possible inside/exclusive stuff that I could have helped you with & that is YOUR OWN FAULTS - not mine!!

I have tried & tried & tried & tried. What else can I do??

I am PERFECTLY happy with the results of ESPN's coverage (Simmons, Stark, SC, etc.) and Jayson's column. My interests (truth & Mark) have been served and those columns/broadcasts are going to be WIDELY seen and read.

Moreover, as time goes on those that were part of the witch hunt in sports are going to look VERY Unknowledgeable with damaged credibility.

If I had a small part of that - great!

Either way I had the balls to stand up and be counted and try on this important issue.

Again, great job Jayson & ESPN!!

John

Oh yeah 21 - ps - I have my OWN name, $, and fame without Mark or this story - believe that. If you think this is the last you will hear from me you are SOOO wrong.
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Hell, I can't help it if you are delusional and you think a Stark gets his information from message boards and youtube.

Actually, how he voted before the deadline has a lot to do with his column today. And he's been thinking about this issue for years and talking about it extensively for months. Stark already agreed with you that McGwire belonged in the Hall of Fame. You did not change his mind with this board because HE VOTED BEFORE YOU POSTED HERE!

I know. Silly me. Tryiing logic against your meandering bluster.

Your own ego makes you think you had a part in that and you can't believe you didn't have some powerful influence. Nothing more.

There is no information in Stark's column based in your expertise. I highly doubt he even knows you exist. His column is based in his knowledge of the game. Argue it all you like. I'm sure it helps your delusions that you don't mind manufacturing your own reality to prove yourself.

And these other guys are right. You really have spent an amazing amount of time posting on here for a guy who is so damn busy. And McGwire isn't getting into the Hall of Fame this time around. And even if your postings on here and youtube could have helped him, you did it after the voting, so too late to help this year and far to early for next year. The most useless time possible.

Useless. Another good word to describe all the wonderful scoops and information you have shared with us. Entertaining, especially since I love to argue, but useless.

The Big Ragu · Jan 8, 2007

See!!!!!? The special guest is Tony Clifton. This is frickin genius.

21 · Jan 8, 2007

Does anyone know whatever happened to Franco Columbu? I think maybe he is the Special Guest.

Boom_70 · Jan 8, 2007

21 said:

Does anyone know whatever happened to Franco Columbu? I think maybe he is the Special Guest.
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He married Serge Redding in a private ceremony in VT. BTW -- It's DR Franco Columbu.

bigpern23 · Jan 8, 2007

John D. Villarreal said:

indiansnetwork said:

JDV I have already figured out who the good journalist on this board are and who are the ones who just like to create fights. Unfortunately most of the people on this thread have very little creditability and little interest in the truth.
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Yeah, thanks good to know - feel free to PM me a list so that I can save my time

As for those of you going into this whole message board confidentiality thing - Flash asked for a serious response I delivered to further establish my cred (which was unneeded frankly). She said I could PM it to her. I put some info here and THEN she said "oh well I have this friend who does what you do & can I have your permission to send it to him to review (thus continuing to establish her offer and my reliance on confidentiality) whereupon I said no for the obvious reasons I stated.

Then she played this BS game of saying she was going to get him the info anyway - F' that ok? I think that is unethical. REAL easy to follow!

Flash, you brought this on yourself.

As to your comments I will take the bait on this part as I feel I have a right to vent some
1.) I know more than you about training
2.) I am quite sure I am demonstrably smarter than you (sorry for your delusions)
3.) I have more advanced degrees than you from better schools
4.) I am quite sure I am a much better athlete than you
5.) I am quite sure I am in much better shape than you. So, don't throw stones. I just won Nationals again in 2006 and got best lifter in my class and may compete in MMA.
6.) Funniest of all there is a REAL good chance that my media credentials/credits are BETTER than yours flashy. Oh man.

I am going to stop getting pulled into the gutter bc this is just garbage real garbage.

The funniest part of it all is that while the critics were trying to roast me - it is quite possible, perhaps likely, that Jayson Stark took some of my good info and just published a really awesome article as can be seen here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2724114&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

The rest of you missed out on those scoops HE got (wait I thought there were no scoops/good info????)!

How does that feel?

ha ha, at least I am doing my job while I post

Way to go Jayson!

& hey thanks to the rest of you here that have supported me & Rok (Indian, DyePack, Football_bat, Boom, Mod1, Jason Whitlock, etc., etc.)

I will try to post more good stuff going forward and ignore the junk.

John
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You know, Lincoln freed the slaves in 278 words in a speech he wrote in the back of a wagon.

It just took you 415 to congratulate yourself for giving Jayson Stark scoops and thank Jason Whitlock for supporting you, which, unless he PM'd you, he never did (after all, he rarely posts on threads that aren't about him or Jemele Hill), whatever.

Oh, and I'm guessing Lincoln was probably busier trying hold the country together, free slaves, whatever.

Elliotte Friedman · Jan 8, 2007

Wow.

John's postings are as confusing as most of Ken Dryden's speeches.

I can't believe gingerbread -- as smart as she is -- is wasting time arguing with this duo of dolts. Whatever.

21 · Jan 8, 2007

Boom_70 said:

21 said:

Does anyone know whatever happened to Franco Columbu? I think maybe he is the Special Guest.
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He married Serge Redding in a private ceremony in VT. BTW -- It's DR Franco Columbu.
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I wonder how many home runs Dr Columbu would have hit, had there been baseball scouts in Sardinia.

The Big Ragu · Jan 8, 2007

Listen, before Lincoln trained with me, he was 6 foot tall. After I trained him, he was 6 foot 4, whatever. Why do you media people show those pictures of him in the stovepipe hat? It creates a MOUNTAIN of unintended consequences, whatever. I understand the mind of a President. I'm an expert, whatever. There are a lot of reasons to wear a hat that makes you look 6 foot 8. And all I can say is that when Lincoln trained with me, I never saw him wear the hat. Maybe I should add the Gettysburg Address to my shirt, whatever.

bigpern23 · Jan 8, 2007

The Big Ragu said:

Listen, before Lincoln trained with me, he was 6 foot tall. After I trained him, he was 6 foot 4, whatever. Why do you media people show those pictures of him in the stovepipe hat? It creates a MOUNTAIN of unintended consequences, whatever. I understand the mind of a President. I'm an expert, whatever. There are a lot of reasons to wear a hat that makes you look 6 foot 8. And all I can say is that when Lincoln trained with me, I never saw him wear the hat. Maybe I should add the Gettysburg Address to my shirt, whatever.
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Nicely done, Ragu, whatever.

Trouser_Buddah · Jan 8, 2007

goinyayowithshow said:

John,

Please respond to this:

First let me say this, the thread I posted had a life span of about 5 minutes. The thread was about me and my opinions on McGwire because I wanted what I really felt to be known and not only what John wanted on the video that I was a part of and asked John to remove me from and I urged John to edit the parts with me in them, which John didn't. I removed the post because I realized it would probably create more negativity and no good. Where is the deep, deep hot water I am supposedly in?

These are the facts about the post as I have it saved on my computer and did a word count on it:

Pages: 3
Words: 1,592
Characters: 8,855
Paragraphs: 33

Since you are convinced that ANGOLA and the others (who you say are against you and will stop at nothing to discredit you) are looking for every chance they get to slam you. Are you surprised that when I post a thread composed of 8,855 characters, the only thing that they comment about is a comment about a 2-4 week period which they might be able to use against you and leave out all the other things?

Well, here it is, the exact mystery quote which you have been so concerned with:

"What I believe to be true...

1) John did train McGwire. I have seen a written document signed by Mark which says that Mark trained with John. To the best of my knowledge, the period of time Mark was strictly on John's program and John's program only was about 2-4 weeks and he probably did make some good gains. John was a friend of Mark's for several years after that and probably had some input/advice to McGwire on training this entire time, (John had mentioned to me that McGwire had adapted a hybrid program which featured some of his training after this point), but I think when John says he was the trainer/personal friend of McGwire for 6-7 years, many people get the idea that McGwire was strictly on his program only for that entire period of time. Like I said earlier, in my opinion, the amount of time I believe Mark was strictly on John's program was 2-4 weeks. "

Here are some more direct quotes from my mystery thread and vicious attack:

"2) John is stronger than almost everyone you will find in most regular gyms across America. He is also a good source of knowledge for strength as compared to many other trainers you will find out there who are not on John's level."

"4) John has done remarkable things in the sport considering the fact he never used illegal steroids. We all know that the lifters at the very top of the sport are taking everything they can in order to maximize their lifts. However, there are lots of other so called supplements out there which can enhance a person's muscles, which are not illegal and are quite a few steps above protein and creatine, but these substances are not as powerful as the illegal stuff. Had John taken illegal steroids like a lot of the people who try to hate on him, he might have been World Champion in PL a couple of years for all I know. We all know that to really be the absolute best in a dirty sport like PL you almost definitely must tak illegal steroids, which I believe John has never done."

"6) John did a lot of other things with his life, including law school, having a radio show and a TV show and also working for a very high powered law firm. PL wasn't the only thing he had going on in his twenties and John did not make PL the most important thing in his life at that time as most of his PL critics did, most of whom can't even fathom what it takes to go to Law school at Berkeley and be one of the top students. Not to fault the other guys but just to ask them to tone it down against John, he's a good guy and a hard worker, you don't need to keep trying to bring him down."

To the best of my knowledge, John has never seen this thread until now, and yet he's more than willing to make me out to be a person who is not credible and is out to get him because of my own agendas, and was also unwilling to respond to my emails or phone calls to try and remedy this matter.

John,
Why are you willing to jump to conlusions about a thread you never read and use people who are trying to slam you as sources? Why are you unwilling to speak to me about this? What does this say about you?

To be honest, all I see on here is a bunch of adult people who claim to be a lot of things and yet are showing that they are only mature enough to continue trashing each other for days on end. Quite frankly, I am embarrased that my name is associated with any of this mess (which is why I want the videos down) and am now done with this thread. I don't need this negativity in my life and am sorry to have ever gotten involved.

IJAG- thanks for being willing to hear my side.
ROK- I understand you were only trying to protect your family and brother
John- I understand you were only trying to protect your name and I know and understand the type of scrutiny people have put you under.
The rest of you- I also understand why you would be hesitant to give John credibility under these circumstances.

Bye. "The Special Guest"
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Probably one of the most balanced posts in this whole mess...

LiveStrong · Jan 8, 2007

there is truly only one word to describe this entire thread: whatever.

Flash · Jan 9, 2007

21 said:

But I would say this one has great potential, especially when we get ahold of McGwire and ask for a reference. In the works.
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21, you have just reached goddess status in my world. Thank you.

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