Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE 2* Sandusky Arrested Again

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

Regarding the JoePa-Sandusky relationship, I've heard the same thing for years. They were never really close and essentially getting fired ended what relationship they had.

Looking back on it, it would appear that continuing to give him access to the facilities was a way to put a positive spin on letting him go, which is just another way to keep things quiet.

Telling him he would never be the head coach is one thing, tossing out a beloved assistant coach who had done so much charitable work at the same time was going to raise way too many eyebrows. They had to give the appearance he was still in their good graces.

The more I look at this, and this doesn't justify anything that was done by PSU, the more I think the moves that were made back in 1998 were made as much out of a sense of "this is too horrible to comprehend and we just want it to go away" as it was out of a sense of protecting the program.

And regarding his charity, the cynic in me always thought he started it as a way to recruit football players.

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

Of course I'm not arguing that. Don't try to smear the poster just because you don't agree. But if you're arguing hearing an allegation of fondling or inappropriate sexual contact is enough to condemn Paterno, then you're arguing that all those others that heard similar allegations and did nothing are also to be condemned. Or is it still just Paterno?

That's the first I've seen that he wasn't spared the details. I wish it was better that from a "person familiar with his account" but more will come out later, I'm sure. Thanks for the link.

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

Everyone who had a direct report from an eyewitness, yes. Who all had a direct report from an eyewitness?

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

The facts, as the State of Penn. alleges:

On March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant ("graduate assistant") who was then 28 years old, entered the locker room at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus on a Friday night before the beginning of Spring Break. [...] He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.

OK, let's go with the "best case scenario."

A 28-year-old man who you've mentored for at least 10 years goes to you and tells you, haltingly, sheepishly, that he may have seen another colleague "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy," as Paterno admits he was told. And you tell your superior, a man who owes his job to you. And then you apparently do nothing else. Except you allow the man you were told was seen fondling a young boy to retire, in order for him to dedicate more time to his charity, centered around young boys.

And, even though you two live in the same small town, and even though he frequents your workplace, you never see the man again in a social or a private setting.

That's the best case scenario. And even under this scenario, you should be fired and you should be pilloried because you did nothing to assist the 10 year old boy you admit you knew about.

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired



pp. 6 - 7


"He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.


The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno's home and reported what he had seen."

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

"reported what he had seen" doesn't necessarily mean anything about the rape. McQueary saw lots of things in his life. Maybe it means he told Paterno about a pretty butterfly he saw on in the park a few days earlier.

I'm not going to judge Paterno until we get all the facts about the butterfly.

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

Right, and he's now been fired for it without being allowed to coach another game--precisely the action folks here were demanding when these debates began.

I'm not entirely sure why we're still ranting and raving about this question. The firing didn't seem to do a damn thing to appease the bloodlust for Paterno around here. What exactly is the point in dispute that we're arguing about now?

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

The Times story had an unnamed source who contradicted Paterno's claim McQueary did not go into detail. They did not hint at who it was, obviously, but they do have someone essentially calling JoePa a liar. Or a forgetful grandpa or whatever.

Here is what bugs me the most about the media people saying Paterno is getting a raw deal here and that we should focus on those who really deserve blame and not him because he did what he was required to do: For the most part, all of them played a role, big or small, in celebrating Paterno for his supposed values and virtues. He was what was great about college sports because he was different and therefor worthy of our praise and admiration.

Now, when shit goes down they want us to hold him to the same standard we hold Barry Switzer.

To whom much is given, much is asked. Joe Paterno either was better than the cesspool of sharks in college football, or he was not.

It's not unfair to hold him to a higher standard than others here. Because in good times, he made us all believe if there was one man we'd ask to guide us through the rough waters, one man we could trust, it was Joe Paterno.

You don't get to have it both ways.

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

Detectives, prosecutors, and teachers, at least. Maybe some journalists if they got to talk to a victim or witness and not just those mentioned above.

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

Look, Rick, the point is this.

There's little argument that what has been proven about Paterno to this point indicates culpability on his part and indicated enough alarm for his employment to be terminated.

But what you, and LongTimeListener, and YankeeFan have been doing a lot of is taking the raw facts and then injecting your own worst-case scenarios onto the landscape. The "it seems pretty likely to me" stuff. Not good enough.

You have a strong enough case without doing that. It's shoddy.

Yes. It is unfair to bring his past "superiority complex" into it. It merely clouds the issue.

 

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury -- *UPDATE* Paterno Fired

Yes, they should all be condemned.

Maybe Presidents Clinton and Bush, if McQueary told them. Maybe Mickey Mouse. Maybe your mom.