Penn State AD charged with perjury -- UPDATE 2 Sandusky Arrested Again

TeamBud · Nov 11, 2011

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LongTimeListener said:

jr/shotglass said:

Look, Rick, the point is this.

There's little argument that what has been proven about Paterno to this point indicates culpability on his part and indicated enough alarm for his employment to be terminated.

But what you, and LongTimeListener, and YankeeFan have been doing a lot of is taking the raw facts and then injecting your own worst-case scenarios onto the landscape. The "it seems pretty likely to me" stuff. Not good enough.

You have a strong enough case without doing that. It's shoddy.
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There are two points here.

One is that you're delusional idiot fanboys for constructing the one path of logic that, since 1998, implicates everyone else in the world and excuses Joe Paterno, the king of the state. The chances that the events happened as your version suggests are about 1 in 1 million.

The other point is that even if that 1 in 1 million is the way it went down, we still have Joe Paterno with knowledge of "fondling or something of a sexual nature" between Jerry Sandusky and a boy who appeared to be 10 years old, and all he did was hand that information off and be done with it.

And even in that 1 in 1 million best-case scenario, he needed to be fired and he needed to be heaped with scorn from around the world and for all time.
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Again - I'm not trying to make Paterno a special case. I would say you guys are doing that. If he deserves the media shitstorm that he got because he had heard allegations about Sandusky and did no more than pass them on to be investigated, then I'm waiting to see you move on to all the others. Instead, I've seen the very people condemning Paterno, make excuses for McQueary, his dad, and the prosecutors.

jr/shotglass · Nov 11, 2011

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poindexter said:

Please, do yourself a favor and give up, shotglass.
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You've made fewer good points than YF, LongTimeListener, RickStain or Mr. Havercamp. Your opinion on whether I should give up isn't given a whole lot of credence on this thread.

RickStain · Nov 11, 2011

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TeamBud said:

Again - I'm not trying to make Paterno a special case. I would say you guys are doing that. If he deserves the media shitstorm that he got because he had heard allegations about Sandusky and did no more than pass them on to be investigated, then I'm waiting to see you move on to all the others. Instead, I've seen the very people condemning Paterno, make excuses for McQueary, his dad, and the prosecutors.
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Who the hell have you seen making excuses for these people?

The prosecutors who overheard the conversation in which Sandusky admitted it to a mother of a victim are especially disgusting.

As for McQueary, this is a man who once broke up a knife fight on campus. But when he saw this, he ran to his daddy and CYA'd for his career.

RickStain · Nov 11, 2011

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Just because I don't agree with jr/s doesn't mean he has to "give up" or whatever unless he just gets tired of it. That'd be silly.

TigerVols · Nov 11, 2011

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jr/shotglass said:

RickStain said:

jr/shotglass said:

No citation needed. You repeated exactly what I said. You DON'T say "definitively guilty." Saying it's plausible, possible and even likely is not necessary. Just address those facts.
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Of course not. If Paterno says it, we must take it as gospel. No need for skepticism if Coach Joe Pa tells us it is true, right?
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Rick, you act as if what you're questioning is whether he really believes Indiana State is a tough opponent.

If you're dealing with something of this gravity -- and this is pretty much all I've said along the way -- you need to deal with what's down in black and white only, and not add the skepticism or the "now this is what is going to happen" that Mr. Havercamp just displayed.

(Yes, Mr. Havercamp, you have all the right in the world to engage in the prediction business. It simply doesn't help your credibility.)
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When did SportsJournalists.com become a jury deliberation room? I thought this was an Internet message board. You know, where people say all kinds of crazy shit just to pass the time and entertain each other. Did I miss where it became a fact-based, black-white, notarized kind of place?

TeamBud · Nov 11, 2011

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RickStain said:

TeamBud said:

Again - I'm not trying to make Paterno a special case. I would say you guys are doing that. If he deserves the media shitstorm that he got because he had heard allegations about Sandusky and did no more than pass them on to be investigated, then I'm waiting to see you move on to all the others. Instead, I've seen the very people condemning Paterno, make excuses for McQueary, his dad, and the prosecutors.
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Who the hell have you seen making excuses for these people?

The prosecutors who overheard the conversation in which Sandusky admitted it to a mother of a victim are especially disgusting.

As for McQueary, this is a man who once broke up a knife fight on campus. But when he saw this, he ran to his daddy and CYA'd for his career.
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You didn't see the previous few pages where there was a lot of discussion about why prosecutor's couldn't go public? The McQueary sympathy was way back.

TeamBud · Nov 11, 2011

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TigerVols said:

jr/shotglass said:

RickStain said:

jr/shotglass said:

No citation needed. You repeated exactly what I said. You DON'T say "definitively guilty." Saying it's plausible, possible and even likely is not necessary. Just address those facts.
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Of course not. If Paterno says it, we must take it as gospel. No need for skepticism if Coach Joe Pa tells us it is true, right?
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Rick, you act as if what you're questioning is whether he really believes Indiana State is a tough opponent.

If you're dealing with something of this gravity -- and this is pretty much all I've said along the way -- you need to deal with what's down in black and white only, and not add the skepticism or the "now this is what is going to happen" that Mr. Havercamp just displayed.

(Yes, Mr. Havercamp, you have all the right in the world to engage in the prediction business. It simply doesn't help your credibility.)
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When did SportsJournalists.com become a jury deliberation room? I thought this was an Internet message board. You know, where people say all kinds of crazy shit just to pass the time and entertain each other. Did I miss where it became a fact-based, black-white, notarized kind of place?
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Well, as long as you're with the mob. If you fill in the holes differently, you get a lot of cheap shots.

poindexter · Nov 11, 2011

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TigerVols said:

When did SportsJournalists.com become a jury deliberation room? I thought this was an Internet message board. You know, where people say all kinds of crazy shit just to pass the time and entertain each other. Did I miss where it became a fact-based, black-white, notarized kind of place?
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Because this involves Joe Paterno and Penn State. They're THAT important.

jr/shotglass · Nov 11, 2011

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TigerVols said:

When did SportsJournalists.com become a jury deliberation room? I thought this was an Internet message board. You know, where people say all kinds of crazy shit just to pass the time and entertain each other. Did I miss where it became a fact-based, black-white, notarized kind of place?
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That explains so much about your past 85 pages.

TigerVols · Nov 11, 2011

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Dick Whitman said:

Here's a good question:

Who would everyone like to see write the definitive book on this scandal? Because you know it's coming.

My vote would be for Jeffrey Toobin.
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I'd like to see Tom Wolfe take a crack at it.

NoOneLikesUs · Nov 11, 2011

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Any chance someone passes along some tickets to JoePa and he shows up in the stands on Saturday?

jr/shotglass · Nov 11, 2011

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NoOneLikesUs said:

Any chance someone passes along some tickets to JoePa and he shows up in the stands on Saturday?
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Uh ... no.

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