Penn State AD charged with perjury -- UPDATE 2 Sandusky Arrested Again

Inky_Wretch · Nov 11, 2011

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Azrael said:

McQueary placed on administrative leave.
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With pay.

And that makes me think there's a whistleblower law at play.

YankeeFan · Nov 11, 2011

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kickoff-time said:

Does anyone know if they are doing something for the victims before, during or after this game? I have heard about the Blue out and the armband but wondered if the school is doing anything else.

Maybe it will be seen as too disingenuous and is better left alone.

As I have said before, the actual playing of the game to me is the easy part for the Penn State players. I've got to think being in the locker room, the facilities and thinking about all of this would be the hardest part.
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Northern Illinois University tore down the building that was the site of a shooting:

The building where a gunman killed five people at Northern Illinois University two weeks ago will be demolished, state officials said Wednesday.

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich's office confirmed that the state will provide the funding for the university to demolish Cole Hall, the site of Steven Kazmierczak's February 14 rampage.

Cole Hall will be replaced by a high-tech classroom building to be named Memorial Hall, the office said.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-02-27/justice/niu.building_1_police-chief-donald-grady-kazmierczak-antidepressant?_s=PM:CRIME
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NoOneLikesUs · Nov 11, 2011

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Lugnuts said:

I heard a Jacksonville Jaguars player and PSU alum on the radio saying whenever the players did charity work in the community, they were told to do it with The Second Mile.
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I talked to a former PSU player earlier in the week who said working with Second Mile was not pushed on the players.

LongTimeListener · Nov 11, 2011

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Inky_Wretch said:

Azrael said:

McQueary placed on administrative leave.
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With pay.

And that makes me think there's a whistleblower law at play.
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I still say there's a guaranteed lifetime contract lying around, signed in 2002.

Starman · Nov 11, 2011

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NoOneLikesUs said:

Lugnuts said:

I heard a Jacksonville Jaguars player and PSU alum on the radio saying whenever the players did charity work in the community, they were told to do it with The Second Mile.
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I talked to a former PSU player earlier in the week who said working with Second Mile was not pushed on the players.
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Well that's not the same thing as "DO NOT get involved there, at all, under any circumstances," which you would think would have been the advice.

Ben_Hecht · Nov 11, 2011

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Inky_Wretch said:

Crawl on ESPN: Penn State players want McQueary with them on Saturday.
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Yeah, he'll have their backs.

suburbia · Nov 11, 2011

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Double Down said:

PCLoadLetter said:

LongTimeListener said:

PC, I think you're underestimating the shock factor involved in seeing something like that -- like, medically defined, walk-around-in-a-trance kind of shock. I agree that he has become a part of the cover-up in the ensuing nine years and he has probably reached the conclusion that he failed as a human being, but that's a tough one to sit and say you know what you would have done.
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I get the shock. It had to be horrifying.

But honestly, I have two boys, age 14 and 6.

I know what I would have done.
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I believe you. I really do.

But you know what the sad truth is? I think that kind of courage is rarer that we'd like to believe. A lot of people are afraid to act. That's why we're drawn to stories about heroes. Because we'd all like to believe we're pure of heart and fearless when it counts. I think the history of the world is proof that people of inaction far outnumber those who are fearless.
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They're especially afraid to act when it could jeopardize their livelihood, and therefore their families, homes, everything they have spent a lifetime building.

Look at what happened to Abar Rouse, the Baylor basketball assistant coach who blew the whistle on the Patrick Dennehy scandal. It's been almost a decade since he did the right thing and spilled the beans. And what was his reward for doing the right thing? Getting blackballed from the coaching ranks and having his career ruined. Read the story ESPN did a few years back (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=3371852) - even Mike Kryzezewski, who is portrayed as one of college sports' squeaky clean figures - said he wouldn't hire him.

Look, McQueary should have done a lot more and he'll have to answer to his maker for that. But just understand why so few in similar circumstances do so.

Stitch · Nov 11, 2011

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suburbia said:

Double Down said:

PCLoadLetter said:

LongTimeListener said:

PC, I think you're underestimating the shock factor involved in seeing something like that -- like, medically defined, walk-around-in-a-trance kind of shock. I agree that he has become a part of the cover-up in the ensuing nine years and he has probably reached the conclusion that he failed as a human being, but that's a tough one to sit and say you know what you would have done.
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I get the shock. It had to be horrifying.

But honestly, I have two boys, age 14 and 6.

I know what I would have done.
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I believe you. I really do.

But you know what the sad truth is? I think that kind of courage is rarer that we'd like to believe. A lot of people are afraid to act. That's why we're drawn to stories about heroes. Because we'd all like to believe we're pure of heart and fearless when it counts. I think the history of the world is proof that people of inaction far outnumber those who are fearless.
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They're especially afraid to act when it could jeopardize their livelihood, and therefore their families, homes, everything they have spent a lifetime building.

Look at what happened to Abar Rouse, the Baylor basketball assistant coach who blew the whistle on the Patrick Dennehy scandal. It's been almost a decade since he did the right thing and spilled the beans. And what was his reward for doing the right thing? Getting blackballed from the coaching ranks and having his career ruined. Read the story ESPN did a few years back (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=3371852) - even Mike Kryzezewski, who is portrayed as one of college sports' squeaky clean figures - said he wouldn't hire him.

Look, McQueary should have done a lot more and he'll have to answer to his maker for that. But just understand why so few in similar circumstances do so.
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Coach K is a pile of waste, as are most of the coaches fawned over on ESPN.

gingerbread · Nov 11, 2011

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RickStain said:

TeamBud said:

Could you link that NYT story please? Everything I've seen, including the GJ presentment that people keep telling me to read, does not say that at all. It looks like a lot of you have filled in the holes with the worst-case possibilities and then treated that as fact.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/aspiring-coach-in-middle-of-colleges-scandal.html?pagewanted=all

He has said under oath that he saw Sandusky raping what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy. He immediately left, met with his father and determined he would report the incident to Paterno, according to prosecutors. A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university’s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State’s campus police.
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But this is just fanboy obfuscation.

The grand jury report clearly states that Paterno's own testimony admits he knew of *at least* "Fondling and inappropriate sexual contact."

So in order to argue that maybe Paterno didn't know enough to be condemned for his inaction, you'd have to argue that "fondling or inappropriate sexual contact" with a 10-year-old isn't really that bad. Do you feel good about arguing that?
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Plus, wouldn't McQueary's dad have been present for that conversation with Paterno? Or would he have stayed in the car while his son had the most important conversation he'd ever have with the coach? Is he now considered a grand jury witness?

Another plus, McQueary's dad is described "a renowned coach in the State College area himself in youth sports." He coaches kids and yet never thought maybe HE should go to police once it was clear Sandusky was still holding his camps for kids and what not?
I'm assuming he believed his son when that son told him he saw a man raping a child. What is wrong with these people?

PCLoadLetter · Nov 11, 2011

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suburbia said:

Double Down said:

PCLoadLetter said:

LongTimeListener said:

PC, I think you're underestimating the shock factor involved in seeing something like that -- like, medically defined, walk-around-in-a-trance kind of shock. I agree that he has become a part of the cover-up in the ensuing nine years and he has probably reached the conclusion that he failed as a human being, but that's a tough one to sit and say you know what you would have done.
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I get the shock. It had to be horrifying.

But honestly, I have two boys, age 14 and 6.

I know what I would have done.
Click to expand...

I believe you. I really do.

But you know what the sad truth is? I think that kind of courage is rarer that we'd like to believe. A lot of people are afraid to act. That's why we're drawn to stories about heroes. Because we'd all like to believe we're pure of heart and fearless when it counts. I think the history of the world is proof that people of inaction far outnumber those who are fearless.
Click to expand...

They're especially afraid to act when it could jeopardize their livelihood, and therefore their families, homes, everything they have spent a lifetime building.

Look at what happened to Abar Rouse, the Baylor basketball assistant coach who blew the whistle on the Patrick Dennehy scandal. It's been almost a decade since he did the right thing and spilled the beans. And what was his reward for doing the right thing? Getting blackballed from the coaching ranks and having his career ruined. Read the story ESPN did a few years back (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=3371852) - even Mike Kryzezewski, who is portrayed as one of college sports' squeaky clean figures - said he wouldn't hire him.

Look, McQueary should have done a lot more and he'll have to answer to his maker for that. But just understand why so few in similar circumstances do so.
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And that's why I say I kind of understand going to Paterno instead of police. It was the wrong thing to do, but he probably believed someone else would bring in police once he reported it, and it made more sense from a career standpoint.

You still have to stop the rape. Deal with the fallout later, but save that kid. No way around that one.

Azrael · Nov 11, 2011

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gingerbread said:

What is wrong with these people?
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Signs point very clearly to an additional level of complication here. It'll come out sooner or later.

gingerbread · Nov 11, 2011

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Stoney said:

Double Down said:

The Times story had an unnamed source who contradicted Paterno's claim McQueary did not go into detail. They did not hint at who it was, obviously, but they do have someone essentially calling JoePa a liar. Or a forgetful grandpa or whatever.
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Unless it's McQueary himself, I'm not sure how that unnamed source would know. There's only two people that will ever know precisely what words McQueary used when he told Paterno.
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Well, there's also McQueary's dad.

(Oops, just noticed that Luggy already made that point way back.)

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