Penn State AD charged with perjury -- UPDATE 2 Sandusky Arrested Again

Jake_Taylor · Nov 13, 2011

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Flip Wilson said:

wicked said:

Dick Whitman said:

wicked said:

Last I checked no Baylor basketball players have died in the past seven years.
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That's what qualifies as "squeaky clean" these days?
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No.

Lots of smoke around Scott Drew, yes, but no fire. Yet. I'm sure the NCAA has released their hounds in Waco. If there is anything and they haven't found it yet, color me surprised.
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I've read on SJ several times about how Scott Drew is dirty, but nobody has ever gone into any detail about his dirtyness. And I've asked for specifics. Met by silence.
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He's not necessarily dirty if the definition is breaking NCAA rules, but just about every coach in the country hates him because of the way he recruits. I've heard rumors that he sends out "information packets" about other schools that are usually full of lies, like if player's mom is concerned about academics then he'll say the other schools recruiting him have a zero-percent graduation rate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncb/columns/story?columnist=caplan_jeff&id=4979714

http://www.chron.com/sports/college-basketball-men/article/Solomon-Meet-Scott-Drew-Baylor-s-controversial-1713332.php

Flip Wilson · Nov 13, 2011

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Jake_Taylor said:

Flip Wilson said:

wicked said:

Dick Whitman said:

wicked said:

Last I checked no Baylor basketball players have died in the past seven years.
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That's what qualifies as "squeaky clean" these days?
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No.

Lots of smoke around Scott Drew, yes, but no fire. Yet. I'm sure the NCAA has released their hounds in Waco. If there is anything and they haven't found it yet, color me surprised.
Click to expand...

I've read on SJ several times about how Scott Drew is dirty, but nobody has ever gone into any detail about his dirtyness. And I've asked for specifics. Met by silence.
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He's not necessarily dirty if the definition is breaking NCAA rules, but just about every coach in the country hates him because of the way he recruits. I've heard rumors that he sends out "information packets" about other schools that are usually full of lies, like if player's mom is concerned about academics then he'll say the other schools recruiting him have a zero-percent graduation rate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncb/columns/story?columnist=caplan_jeff&id=4979714

http://www.chron.com/sports/college-basketball-men/article/Solomon-Meet-Scott-Drew-Baylor-s-controversial-1713332.php
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Those were interesting reads. Thanks for posting them.

BB Bobcat · Nov 13, 2011

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Is 117 pages in 8 days some kind of SJ record?

Screwball · Nov 13, 2011

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93Devil said:

I had no idea she is 24.

And she is spot on about crime reporters should be doing the heavy lifting on this story.
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She didn't say that. She said, "It's not a football story. It's a crime story."

If I'm an editor and my beat writer says, "Let the crime reporters handle the story, I've got a Nebraska advance to write," I'm looking for a new beat writer.

hondo · Nov 13, 2011

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Dick Whitman said:

What is just so infuriating is how the Big Ten holds itself up as a paragon of virtue in the muck of college football. Better schools. Higher principles. And so on and so forth.

And in the last couple years we've got Rich Rodriguez getting Michigan in trouble.

We've got Tressel covering up his players' indiscretions.

Not to mention the Minnesota academic scandal a few years ago. And Kelvin Sampson.

Now we've got this.

I am no longer interested in hearing any morality speeches from the Big fucking Ten. I'm not.
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We've had Penn State sycophants call and email us and claim we and other media in the south were so quick to jump on Ohio State and Penn State but said we sweep "the cesspool that is southern football" under the rug.
I challenged to google Cam Newton and Auburn, Urban Meyer and the Gators arrest record on his watch, FSU and academic fraud, Miami and Nevin Campbell, North Carolina with academic fraud AND agent dealings, the various law-breaking involving LSU and Georgia players .... and on and on. I then told him to ask the football coach, AD, president or anyone in the fan base of a southern college and ask them if they believe their media has gone easy on them.
Haven't heard back. Doubt if I will.

Ben_Hecht · Nov 13, 2011

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93Devil said:

Talked with a high school coach this morning who has a big time DB playing for him that did really, really well at Penn State's skills camp this past summer. This coach has met Sandusky on a few occasions, post-2000, and he was obviously shaken by this entire event. He cannot see Penn State ever getting a big time player for a long, long time. They might get a few local kids, but Penn State will slowly decay as a football program over the coming years. It four years, they might not even be good enough to beat Indiana or Minnesota.

I sort of thought bringing in an outside coach and cleaning house would save them, but after talking him, right now I am very unsure.

That might have been a dead program walking on the field today. They have some life now, and will next season, but in 3-4 years, they might be on par with a James Madison, not Michigan.
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Fixed.

Ben_Hecht · Nov 13, 2011

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Dick Whitman said:

And Steve Alford trying to cover up a sexual assault.

And Northwestern killing one of its players.

And Northwestern shaving points.
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Among the sport's great ironies is that two of the three major-league programs that have NEVER been nailed for recruiting violations (Stan/BC/NU), BC and NU are the homes of two of the most notorious pointshaving scandals of recent decades.

Ben_Hecht · Nov 13, 2011

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BitterYoungMatador2 said:

oscaroscaroscar said:

Some very interesting stuff from Bo Pelini, who said he didn't think the game should have been played.

http://my.journalstar.com/Husker_Extra_Group/Husker_Extra/blog

It's inspiring to see a college coach actually have this perspective. And, as much as it may seem otherwise, I wasn't dead-set against the game. But the way it played out and, especially after reading Nathan Fenno's FANTASTIC story, it just all turned out the way I feared.

There's also the new Penn State president Rodney Erickson saying he felt it should be played to bring awareness to sexual abuse -- no, the vigil last night did that very well -- and he thinks the way the players and everyone conducted themselves made that the right decision.
Sigh.

An example of how that message was heeded by the players, from linebacker Nate Stupar, according to stories I've seen:

"There were a lot of emotions going on. I used the emotions to fuel the fire."
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The more I think about it, Penn State fans shouldn't have been asked to wear blue to this game.

I think a much more appropriate color would have been green.
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Green?

Vertical stripes.

Dick Whitman · Nov 13, 2011

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This whole scandal reminds me of the overriding point of "The Wire," about the inherent corruptability of American institutions.

Ben_Hecht · Nov 13, 2011

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Hokie_pokie said:

wicked said:

Hokie, if that's your opinion, then it should also be your opinion that every game played for however many years was a middle finger at the victims, too.
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Just re-read your post, Wicked.

And yeah, now that I think about it, I guess it was.

But this is especially obscene, what with 106,000 fans chanting "JoePa" even after he's been revealed as nothing better than an enabler for a child rapist in his own backyard.
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Fuckin'-A.

Saved me the trouble.

Dick Whitman · Nov 13, 2011

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Has anyone written that the game shouldn't have been played? It seems like a lot of columnists, including Doyel, got swept up in the pregame prayer, etc., etc., "healing" storyline.

Dick Whitman · Nov 13, 2011

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Oh, my God. Someone was selling, "What Happens in Happy Valley Stays in Happy Valley" T-shirts.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1113-haugh-penn-state-scandal--20111113,0,840283.column

Perhaps those shirts were making fun of Penn State rather than supporting the cover-up?

Haugh's column paints a very, very ugly picture of what went on there yesterday.

No way that the game should have been played. None. It is a travesty that it was.

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