Penn State AD charged with perjury -- UPDATE 2 Sandusky Arrested Again

RickStain · Nov 8, 2011

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury in Sandusky investigation

Dick Whitman said:

Why can't he just say something like this?

"I should have notified the police. That I did not will haunt me for the rest of my days. If nothing else comes of this, I want to make sure that the next person who is in my situation will learn from my mistake and notify the police."

Why is that so difficult?
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Because I don't think he thinks he was wrong.

LongTimeListener · Nov 8, 2011

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury in Sandusky investigation

Dick Whitman said:

Why can't he just say something like this?

"I should have notified the police. That I did not will haunt me for the rest of my days. If nothing else comes of this, I want to make sure that the next person who is in my situation will learn from my mistake and notify the police."

Why is that so difficult?
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I imagine a statement like that would make a nice jumping-off point when the plaintiff's lawyer begins questioning Paterno in the civil suit. "So you're acknowledging that you could have prevented my client from being raped in 2003?"

kickoff-time · Nov 8, 2011

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Double Down said:

NYT says Penn State will end Paterno's tenure in a matter of days or weeks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?src=tp
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Didn't exactly take the New York Times to figure this was coming. I think we have heard the last of Joe, and the next to last of his statements released by his son, Scott. The last one will be Joe's "retirement" release.

Double Down · Nov 8, 2011

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Matt Millen is apparently on the board of Sandusky's charity. Can't fathom why it's a good idea to let him talk like this.

kickoff-time · Nov 8, 2011

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At least Woody went down swinging.

Captain_Kirk · Nov 8, 2011

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Dick Whitman said:

Stoney said:

Dick Whitman said:

Stoney said:

Dick Whitman said:

wicked said:

TigerVols said:

Even better would be for Sandusky to follow the Pennsylvania model and show up, cue the song "Hey man, nice shot," and do the right thing.
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Sorry, a guy blowing his brains out on live TV a la Budd Dwyer doesn't solve anything for anyone.
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In a weird way, Sandusky is almost the least culpable person here. Hear me out. Sandusky is obviously a sick individual. I'm convinced that pedophilia is so far outside of the pale of normal human behavior that is has to be indicative of a serious mental illness.

Everyone else, on the other hand, is sane and conniving and self-interested. There is an argument to be made that Sandusky couldn't stop himself. He couldn't save the kids. The rest of them could. And didn't.
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What flaming horseshit this is. Sandusky is sane, he knew it was wrong (and illegal) to stick his penis in a child,he did it anyways. "Least culpable"? Christ.
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Normal people don't molest children. He might have known it was wrong, on some level, but been unable to help himself. Being a serial child molester is a lot of steps from normal: (1) You have to be attracted to children. Not normal; (2) You either have to not realize that it's wrong, or you have to realize it's wrong, and not be able to exercise the impulse control to stop yourself.
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Not being "normal" does not excuse heinous behavior. There's a difference between mental illness and sanity. Tons of us suffer from some sort of mental illness, hell depression is a mental illness, but that doesn't absolve us of culpability if we go out and commit crime. And it doesn't make us legally insane.

Yeah, he obviously did have some sort of mental illness that gave him the urge to molest children, but I don't believe for a second that he had no control over it. He could've supressed his sick urges the same way other people suppress urges every day. He had volitional control over his muscles, he knew it was illegal and wrong, he CHOSE to act on them.

Sorry, but I am not ready to hear people making excuses for Sandusky.
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My main point is that at least Sandusky has something wrong with him. Clearly. We can argue about whether he had control over what he was doing or knew it was wrong. No one will know that but the psychiatrists.

But I think that we're all pretty sure that Paterno and Curley knew that what Sandusky was doing was wrong. And they did nothing.

I'm not trying to excuse Sandusky so much as I'm trying to emphasize how wrong the behavior of everyone else was. Much like the Catholic church.
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God, I hate comments like Dick's that start all the excuse making for abhorrent behavior.

And I love Stoney's responses.

Was going to begin to expand further, but I think I'll just leave it at that.

Clerk Typist · Nov 8, 2011

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Ace said:

Can we start referring to the school as State Penn now?
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Amazing this took 638 posts to surface.

Dick Whitman · Nov 8, 2011

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LongTimeListener said:

Dick Whitman said:

Why can't he just say something like this?

"I should have notified the police. That I did not will haunt me for the rest of my days. If nothing else comes of this, I want to make sure that the next person who is in my situation will learn from my mistake and notify the police."

Why is that so difficult?
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I imagine a statement like that would make a nice jumping-off point when the plaintiff's lawyer begins questioning Paterno in the civil suit. "So you're acknowledging that you could have prevented my client from being raped in 2003?"
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I don't know for sure what the Pennsylvania law is for civil suits like that. My guess is that he didn't have a legal duty to report it to police. As far as I know, there is not tort liability anywhere for failing to report something or failing to stop it from taking place. I think it would get thrown out of court. I think.

Dick Whitman · Nov 8, 2011

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Captain_Kirk said:

Dick Whitman said:

Stoney said:

Dick Whitman said:

Stoney said:

Dick Whitman said:

wicked said:

TigerVols said:

Even better would be for Sandusky to follow the Pennsylvania model and show up, cue the song "Hey man, nice shot," and do the right thing.
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Sorry, a guy blowing his brains out on live TV a la Budd Dwyer doesn't solve anything for anyone.
Click to expand...

In a weird way, Sandusky is almost the least culpable person here. Hear me out. Sandusky is obviously a sick individual. I'm convinced that pedophilia is so far outside of the pale of normal human behavior that is has to be indicative of a serious mental illness.

Everyone else, on the other hand, is sane and conniving and self-interested. There is an argument to be made that Sandusky couldn't stop himself. He couldn't save the kids. The rest of them could. And didn't.
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What flaming horseshit this is. Sandusky is sane, he knew it was wrong (and illegal) to stick his penis in a child,he did it anyways. "Least culpable"? Christ.
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Normal people don't molest children. He might have known it was wrong, on some level, but been unable to help himself. Being a serial child molester is a lot of steps from normal: (1) You have to be attracted to children. Not normal; (2) You either have to not realize that it's wrong, or you have to realize it's wrong, and not be able to exercise the impulse control to stop yourself.
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Not being "normal" does not excuse heinous behavior. There's a difference between mental illness and sanity. Tons of us suffer from some sort of mental illness, hell depression is a mental illness, but that doesn't absolve us of culpability if we go out and commit crime. And it doesn't make us legally insane.

Yeah, he obviously did have some sort of mental illness that gave him the urge to molest children, but I don't believe for a second that he had no control over it. He could've supressed his sick urges the same way other people suppress urges every day. He had volitional control over his muscles, he knew it was illegal and wrong, he CHOSE to act on them.

Sorry, but I am not ready to hear people making excuses for Sandusky.
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My main point is that at least Sandusky has something wrong with him. Clearly. We can argue about whether he had control over what he was doing or knew it was wrong. No one will know that but the psychiatrists.

But I think that we're all pretty sure that Paterno and Curley knew that what Sandusky was doing was wrong. And they did nothing.

I'm not trying to excuse Sandusky so much as I'm trying to emphasize how wrong the behavior of everyone else was. Much like the Catholic church.
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God, I hate comments like Dick's that start all the excuse making for abhorrent behavior.

And I love Stoney's responses.

Was going to begin to expand further, but I think I'll just leave it at that.
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No, please expand further.

I fully cop to being - I don't know if "sympathetic" is the right word - but something like that, toward sex offenders than other people are. The actions, I agree, are abhorrent. But I do believe in most cases we are talking about a seriously mentally ill person. I am troubled with the blood lust often directed at them by society, I am. Just too convenient to me.

YankeeFan · Nov 8, 2011

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Double Down said:

NYT says Penn State will end Paterno's tenure in a matter of days or weeks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?src=tp
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Was just going to post this. Would explain why the press conference was canceled.

Since the President is involved in all of this, it falls on the Board of Trustees to make these decisions. Since it's not just one person, and they need to reach a consensus, it's somewhat understandable that they're taking a little bit of time to make a decision or go before the press.

I'm sure they want some legal advice and want to speak with one, clear voice once they make their decision.

Starman · Nov 8, 2011

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LongTimeListener said:

Dick Whitman said:

Why can't he just say something like this?

"I should have notified the police. That I did not will haunt me for the rest of my days. If nothing else comes of this, I want to make sure that the next person who is in my situation will learn from my mistake and notify the police."

Why is that so difficult?
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I imagine a statement like that would make a nice jumping-off point when the plaintiff's lawyer begins questioning Paterno in the civil suit. "So you're acknowledging that you could have prevented my client from being raped in 2003?"
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Yep. Paterno can't really even make any public statements of regret, because they open him and the university up to liability.

RickStain · Nov 8, 2011

Re: Penn State AD charged with perjury in Sandusky investigation

Starman said:

LongTimeListener said:

Dick Whitman said:

Why can't he just say something like this?

"I should have notified the police. That I did not will haunt me for the rest of my days. If nothing else comes of this, I want to make sure that the next person who is in my situation will learn from my mistake and notify the police."

Why is that so difficult?
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I imagine a statement like that would make a nice jumping-off point when the plaintiff's lawyer begins questioning Paterno in the civil suit. "So you're acknowledging that you could have prevented my client from being raped in 2003?"
Click to expand...

Yep. Paterno can't really even make any public statements of regret, because they open him and the university up to liability.
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Seeing as how they are liable, maybe they should just take their medicine.

I know, I know, it would never work that way.

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