Penn State AD charged with perjury -- UPDATE 2 Sandusky Arrested Again

Starman · Nov 8, 2011

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Stoney said:

Gator said:

So does the NCAA step in here? If the idea of the "Death Penalty" can come up at the University of Miami for paying players and a bad booster, where does this land on the spectrum as far as punishment from the governing body of college athletics?
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What can the NCAA do? It's empowered to enforce its own rules, but nothing else. This involves violations of criminal statutes, not NCAA rules. The criminal justice system is responsible for this mess, it's way beyond the NCAA's authority.
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I suspect if the NCAA starts to poke around this mess, they will be told very forcefully by the real law enforcement agencies to get the fuck out of the way unless they are looking to be charged with obstruction of justice.

Law enforcement agencies don't want other people: the media, the NCAA, PIs, fucking around in active cases.

RickStain · Nov 8, 2011

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I hope in the end the university shows some moral scruples takes care of the matter without the need for NCAA sanctions.

LongTimeListener · Nov 8, 2011

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Armchair_QB said:

Clerk Typist said:

LongTimeListener said:

playthrough said:

MileHigh said:

This whole thing is revolting and sickening. All of them are to blame. From the GA -- for fuck's sake, a 10-year-old (again, he's T-E-N) is getting raped in front of your eyes and you don't do anything but go home and sleep on it? -- all the way up the "chain of command" to the cover-up to protect one of their own.

Fuck them all.
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Sandusky's crimes are extreme (God, at least I hope this is the worst stuff out there in college sports today) but the level of cover-up here is possible at absolutely any big-time school. The money train is so out of control that anything can be brushed under the rug, from a QB stealing radios to this. I hope people are grasping that.

The system is broken in far more ways than a player not being able to get a free cheeseburger.
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Yep. I was going to start a thread asking "who or what is good in Division I sports?" but I couldn't come up with a first example.
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The Script Ohio? The Navy alma mater?
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Oregon's cheerleaders.
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One of the great recruiting triumphs of the 21st century. I figure they are all on Nike's payroll and make an appearance at HQ when LeBron is in town.

Captain_Kirk · Nov 8, 2011

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Clerk Typist said:

Gator said:

playthrough said:

MileHigh said:

This whole thing is revolting and sickening. All of them are to blame. From the GA -- for fuck's sake, a 10-year-old (again, he's T-E-N) is getting raped in front of your eyes and you don't do anything but go home and sleep on it? -- all the way up the "chain of command" to the cover-up to protect one of their own.

Fuck them all.
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Sandusky's crimes are extreme (God, at least I hope this is the worst stuff out there in college sports today) but the level of cover-up here is possible at absolutely any big-time school. The money train is so out of control that anything can be brushed under the rug, from a QB stealing radios to this. I hope people are grasping that.

The system is broken in far more ways than a player not being able to get a free cheeseburger.
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So does the NCAA step in here? If the idea of the "Death Penalty" can come up at the University of Miami for paying players and a bad booster, where does this land on the spectrum as far as punishment from the governing body of college athletics?
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Lack of institutional control. Indictments, coverups, failure to bar suspected molester. Got to be something about moral turpitude in those hundreds of pages.
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I thought the only NCAA requirement regarding morals was to have none.

BitterYoungMatador2 · Nov 8, 2011

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Chris Fowler reporting that Mike McQueary has taken a leave from the program.

Azrael · Nov 8, 2011

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The NCAA "governs" by consent of the "governed." It has no actual authority or legal standing to do anything.

doctorquant · Nov 8, 2011

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Starman said:

Stoney said:

Gator said:

So does the NCAA step in here? If the idea of the "Death Penalty" can come up at the University of Miami for paying players and a bad booster, where does this land on the spectrum as far as punishment from the governing body of college athletics?
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What can the NCAA do? It's empowered to enforce its own rules, but nothing else. This involves violations of criminal statutes, not NCAA rules. The criminal justice system is responsible for this mess, it's way beyond the NCAA's authority.
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I suspect if the NCAA starts to poke around this mess, they will be told very forcefully by the real law enforcement agencies to get the fuck out of the way unless they are looking to be charged with obstruction of justice.

Law enforcement agencies don't want other people: the media, the NCAA, PIs, fucking around in active cases.
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OK, so now I am really worried about that asteroid ... this is twice today that I agree with Starman. What are the odds?

TeamBud · Nov 8, 2011

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BitterYoungMatador2 said:

TeamBud said:

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TeamBud -- but how is "fondling or something of a sexual nature" ambiguous? You are saying that you're drawing a line between whether there was actual penetration, which would be bad, or merely Sandusky massaging the boy's penis, which would not be so bad.

I can't understand what the degree of difference is. And it's completely incomprehensible when factoring in Paterno's prior knowledge of Sandusky's behavior.
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I'm saying that Sandusky had been investigated and cleared before. If someone tells me, "I may have seen Sandusky doing something with another boy," I might think this is another situation that looked bad but wasn't. Especially if it wasn't urgent enough to go to the police or report that day. I'll have it investigated by the proper authorities.

If someone tells me, "I just saw Sandusky raping a kid in the shower," my reaction will be different. First I'll say "Why the fuck did you wait a day to report THAT?" and then I'll go to the cops.
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And why did it take TEN for Curley to interview McQueary? You hear an allegation of a child being diddled in a shower on YOUR campus and your reaction is "ehh, I'm busy this week. Maybe next week."
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I don't know. Maybe if I knew what McQueary said to Paterno and what Paterno said to Curley I'd know why they treated it like that. Either McQueary didn't describe what he saw very well or this is just about the worst story I've heard in forever - a university allowing a known child rapist to not only walk the streets but to maintain an office on campus and continue to work with kids. You don't see why I might need more than a couple snippets from a report to say that that many people were OK with that?

playthrough · Nov 8, 2011

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BitterYoungMatador2 said:

Chris Fowler reporting that Mike McQueary has taken a leave from the program.
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Professionally, this guy was screwed no matter what. Yes, he should have gone to the cops right away, etc., but in the big-time world of college sports, all he would have been seen as was disloyal. The Scarlet Letter.

Personally, of course, he should have done things much differently. But people still should realize that there's a lot of 28-year-old GAs who would have done the exact same thing. I don't think that makes them inherently bad people, but instead just a product of this screwed-up system.

RickStain · Nov 8, 2011

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TeamBud said:

You don't see why I might need more than a couple snippets from a report to say that that many people were OK with that?
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I don't, because the end result of their "investigation" was exactly that.

Clerk Typist · Nov 8, 2011

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BitterYoungMatador2 said:

Chris Fowler reporting that Mike McQueary has taken a leave from the program.
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That's one. Next, please.

doctorquant · Nov 8, 2011

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playthrough said:

BitterYoungMatador2 said:

Chris Fowler reporting that Mike McQueary has taken a leave from the program.
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Professionally, this guy was screwed no matter what. Yes, he should have gone to the cops right away, etc., but in the big-time world of college sports, all he would have been seen as was disloyal. The Scarlet Letter.

Personally, of course, he should have done things much differently. But people still should realize that there's a lot of 28-year-old GAs who would have done the exact same thing. I don't think that makes them inherently bad people, but instead just a product of this screwed-up system.
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Look at what happened to that assistant coach at Baylor who blew the whistle.

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