Penn State AD charged with perjury -- UPDATE 2 Sandusky Arrested Again

RickStain · Nov 9, 2011

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Breaking News: Joe Paterno continues with retirement plan he's had in place all along.

McNuggetsMan · Nov 9, 2011

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MileHigh said:

YankeeFan said:

TigerVols said:

Joe Pa retires. Breaking.

AP reporting; effective end of season.
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Quick edit.

Yeah, they're saying it's effective at the end of the season.

Not enough.

Fire him.

They gave him the time to resign on his own. He didn't do it. They have to fire him.
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Not enough. I *might* be willing to say coach Saturday at home (last home game of the season) and that's it, but even that feels like too much at this point.
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At a minimum Paterno knew about this since MARCH. He's had months to plan a graceful exit. Instead he decided to stick around to set a record. Fuck him. Dump him now.

MrHavercamp · Nov 9, 2011

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Have the posters on this board who have fully supported JoePa returned from the old man's lawn in State College yet? I'll bet they're all hoarse from chanting their support.

McNuggetsMan · Nov 9, 2011

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MrHavercamp said:

Have the posters on this board who have fully supported JoePa returned from the old man's lawn in State College yet? I'll bet they're all hoarse from chanting their support.
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The irony of Joe Pa leading a "We are Penn State" chant while he is being blasted for covering up child rape is fantastic. "We are ... rape enablers."

Clerk Typist · Nov 9, 2011

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gingerbread said:

Smash Williams said:

So combine that with a person who you knew as a mentor/authority figure doing the crime and likely a less-than-clear angle on everything (I can't bring myself to read the GJ indictment, but I figure Sandusky didn't see him there if this continued for several years afterwards, which leads me to believe it wasn't like he was 3-4 feet away, likely at the door to a room or looking around a corner), and I sadly find myself empathizing with his inability to do anything in that moment or even that night.
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In his testimony McQueary said both Sandusky and the child turned to look at him.
But let's assume McQueary was so traumatized at seeing a boy pinned against the shower wall and being raped by Sandusky, he froze, or bolted, called his dad, whatever. Still, for the next nine years he willingly worked in the same facility with a man he KNEW FOR SURE to be a child rapist. Maybe McQueary felt pressure to remain silent -- and he'll have to live with that -- but his resume seems weighty enough that he could have looked for work elsewhere. He's a grad of Penn State, a former QB and captain, and that's got to carry some clout.

Bottom line now: Is a man who admits to witnessing the rape of a child but doing nothing to stop it the sort of man anyone wants coaching their kid?
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He's also Penn State's recruiting coordinator.

TeamBud · Nov 9, 2011

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MrHavercamp said:

Have the posters on this board who have fully supported JoePa returned from the old man's lawn in State College yet? I'll bet they're all hoarse from chanting their support.
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If you mean me, then no. But I don't "fully support" Paterno. I just support finding out exactly what he was told and what he did before trashing him. If what you assume he was told and did is right, I'll be back to trash him.

McNuggetsMan · Nov 9, 2011

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Clerk Typist said:

gingerbread said:

Smash Williams said:

So combine that with a person who you knew as a mentor/authority figure doing the crime and likely a less-than-clear angle on everything (I can't bring myself to read the GJ indictment, but I figure Sandusky didn't see him there if this continued for several years afterwards, which leads me to believe it wasn't like he was 3-4 feet away, likely at the door to a room or looking around a corner), and I sadly find myself empathizing with his inability to do anything in that moment or even that night.
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In his testimony McQueary said both Sandusky and the child turned to look at him.
But let's assume McQueary was so traumatized at seeing a boy pinned against the shower wall and being raped by Sandusky, he froze, or bolted, called his dad, whatever. Still, for the next nine years he willingly worked in the same facility with a man he KNEW FOR SURE to be a child rapist. Maybe McQueary felt pressure to remain silent -- and he'll have to live with that -- but his resume seems weighty enough that he could have looked for work elsewhere. He's a grad of Penn State, a former QB and captain, and that's got to carry some clout.

Bottom line now: Is a man who admits to witnessing the rape of a child but doing nothing to stop it the sort of man anyone wants coaching their kid?
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He's also Penn State's recruiting coordinator.
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"Come to Penn State... we'll take good care of your kid as long as he is not getting raped in the shower."

RickStain · Nov 9, 2011

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TeamBud said:

MrHavercamp said:

Have the posters on this board who have fully supported JoePa returned from the old man's lawn in State College yet? I'll bet they're all hoarse from chanting their support.
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If you mean me, then no. But I don't "fully support" Paterno. I just support finding out exactly what he was told and what he did before trashing him. If what you assume he was told and did is right, I'll be back to trash him.
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Have you read what he admitted to the grand jury? That's already more than enough to trash him.

You keep saying wait for the details to resolve themselves, but the undisputed details are already 95% of the story. We're just quibbling over the final 5%.

Lugnuts · Nov 9, 2011

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It will take a full 20 years for Penn State University to get out from under this financially.

I went to a college with a low endowment compared to other colleges of the same caliber. I worked for the endowment committee for awhile, and I remember administrators telling us for every year endowment falls below expectations, it sets the university back 5 years.

Who's going to want to open up their wallets to PSU? Chanting support is one thing; writing a check is another.

If you're among the best and brightest in Pennsylvania, do you feel like applying there at the moment? 1-2 years of not having the elite apply to your school will set 'em back YEARS. Because fewer elite means fewer high-earning and distinguished grads.

To say nothing of the damage to the football program, which brings in millions. The other sports programs will suffer as well.

Assuming they clean house and bring in a Tom Ridge and do everything right... Minimum 20 years to get out from under this.

LongTimeListener · Nov 9, 2011

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RickStain said:

TeamBud said:

MrHavercamp said:

Have the posters on this board who have fully supported JoePa returned from the old man's lawn in State College yet? I'll bet they're all hoarse from chanting their support.
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If you mean me, then no. But I don't "fully support" Paterno. I just support finding out exactly what he was told and what he did before trashing him. If what you assume he was told and did is right, I'll be back to trash him.
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Have you read what he admitted to the grand jury? That's already more than enough to trash him.

You keep saying wait for the details to resolve themselves, but the undisputed details are already 95% of the story. We're just quibbling over the final 5%.
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Excellently said, but that has been pointed out to TeamJoe about a hundred times and he doesn't care.

TeamJoe, so you're OK with everyone else being out on his ass (McQueary, Spanier and the two indicted guys) based on what's in evidence and without due process, but with Joe we have to wait and pretend there's some possibility that he was in the dark on everything but this one isolated from 2002, and the details "fondling or something of a sexual nature" were too murky for him to really know what was happening?

PCLoadLetter · Nov 9, 2011

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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Joe Paterno announces retirement, says sex-abuse case a tragedy and wishes he had done more.

Armchair_QB · Nov 9, 2011

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A solid theory to consider, though. Everyone here's been assuming some nefarious ego-driven coverup by him, but perhaps, due to age decline and life in the bubble, this had more to do with a doddering old man simply being incapable of fully grasping and handling something of this magnitude.
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So what's Curley's excuse?

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