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Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Azrael, Jul 29, 2012.

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  1. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    That doesn't have anything to do with what I posted
     
  2. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    The ineffective assistance conspiracy theories are amusing.

    While the idea that you'd shoot for that from the get go might make for a good t.v. episode story line, it is a horrifically bad idea in reality.

    The bar for a defendant prevailing on an ineffective assistance claim is incredibly high. In essence, your attorney has to have literally slept through the trial, been drunk or stoned for significant portions or have made huge procedural mistakes. Tactical errors are not generally enough.

    And the kicker: Your remedy as a defendant, if you do win an ineffective assistance claim, is a new trial. Jeopardy doesn't attach.
     
  3. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty New Member

    yeah, i got bored about halfway through and stopped reading.
     
  4. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Then don't fucking reply.
     
  5. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty New Member

    lighten the fuck up. i was kidding. christ.
     
  6. 3OctaveFart

    3OctaveFart Guest

    http://deadspin.com/5936057/joe-posnanski-says-he-told-joe-paterno-he-should-have-done-more-to-stop-jerry-sandusky

    The book's final chapter is a collection of unrelated anecdotes about Paterno as told by his children and several of his former players. Much of the chapter is light. But on Page 361, the tales of how much Paterno liked ice cream and the aw-shucks little lessons of wisdom Paterno often imparted are suddenly interrupted by a short story involving just Posnanski and Paterno. They are alone at a table at Paterno's home. It is a few weeks after Paterno had been fired by Penn State. As Posnanski tells it, Paterno had just had an awful coughing spell, and "his face was still red from the effort." He asks Posnanski to stop asking questions for a bit.

    This is where Posnanski takes the scene from there:

    He asked me: "So what do you think of all this?"

    I told him that it was crazy, but that was not what he was asking.

    "What do you think of all this?" he asked me again.

    I had not intended to include this in the book. It was a personal moment between writer and subject. But as the story has played out, I decided it was important. I told him that I thought he should have done more when he was told Jerry Sandusky was showering with a boy. I had heard what he had said about not understanding the severity, not knowing much about child molestation, not having Sandusky as an employee. But, I said, "You are Joe Paterno. Right or wrong, people expect more from you."

    He nodded. He did not try to defend or deflect. He said simply, "I wish I had done more," again, and then descended into another coughing fit.
     
  7. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    Maybe I'd shed a tear if Paterno didn't play the victim.
     
  8. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty New Member

    good. glad he choked on it.
     
  9. 3OctaveFart

    3OctaveFart Guest

    I guess my question is why Posnanski didn't just state this at the outset rather than his sad dance around the facts at the speaking engagement.
    And hardly surprising that the final chapter of his book is light fare.
    According to the reviewer, the book ends with fluff.
    The final chapter of his subject's life was a freaking fiasco, and the book on that subject ends with fluff.
    Pass.
     
  10. Tom Petty

    Tom Petty New Member

    yup. it's a shame, too. i guess he never should have been anything more than a No. 2 guy.
     
  11. 3OctaveFart

    3OctaveFart Guest

    Posnanski needed a strong editor in the first place to not let this book become a Disney production.
     
  12. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    The response I'd like to think a different writer would have made.
     
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