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Penultimate

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by dooley_womack1, Sep 14, 2007.

  1. Khartoum

    Khartoum Active Member

    Single syllable.
    All Dooley's brain can handle.
    That dumb, readers not.
     
  2. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Some big words are fine.
    Penultimate? Merely
    Big for sake of big.

    (Yeah, bad break).
     
  3. Khartoum

    Khartoum Active Member

    Bad break, yes indeed.
    Also bad count on line two.
    Premise sucks, as well.
     
  4. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    I see what you say,
    But is penultimate worth
    This much a hissy?
     
  5. Khartoum

    Khartoum Active Member

    Word not the issue:
    Your attitude agitates.
    A microcosm.
     
  6. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Craven poppycock
    That I eschew verbiage.
    --Herman T. Zweibel.
     
  7. Mystery_Meat

    Mystery_Meat Guest

    Ah, Khartoum, fellow promoter of Seymour Asses' fate, I fear you miss the point. It's not so much that the word itself is unknown, though if I had to wager I'd say a large portion of our readership won't correctly define it. It's that it's used superflously; writers drop it in because it makes them look smart, without any sense of flow or propiety. No word, in and of itself, is going to improve a story; it has to fit a design. If not, then the only people you're going to impress are thesaurus worshippers -- people who don't know it will stop or flow on by, scratching their heads, and the ones that DO know it are going to wonder "well, what was the point of using that word in that context?"

    We are not going to attract the literati by carpet-bombing our stories with mega-point Scrabble words. We're going to get them with good writing, and good reporting. And you know something else? Joe Lunchpail and Jane Truck Driver are going to be on board with that, too. It's not our job to provide grammar or literature lessons; if we're to be teachers, it's to teach our readers what happened, why it happened and how that affects what's going to happen.

    This is not, as one poster described, a choice between the upper 10 percent and the others. In this day and age, we can't afford to go tunnel-vision on any 10 percent. There's no reason why we have to choose, and the good writers understand the balance and walk the line as best they can. Are the Mensa members among our circulation going to revolt because of the lack of penultimate, or celerity, or pyrrhic victory in a story on the Redskins-Eagles game or a spending bill going through revisions in a Senate sub-committee? I'd imagine no. Clear and consice reporting and well-written stories transend class, culture and education.

    Now back to the word of the day. Penultimate, in the right neighborhood, is a fine turn of phrase. But most of the times I've seen it recently, it sticks out like a peacock in a flock of doves at a graveside funeral -- obviously notable, obviously inappropriate. There are precious few times where penultimate trumps next-to-last, or a rewrite to avoid using the term and its synonyms entirely.

    In essence, this is a more elegant dressing of a problem a lot of young (and, I've come to discover, older) writers have with finding new ways to express the concept of "said". Reckoned, recalled, stated, related, rejoined, ejaculated (seriously, that one showed up in a story a stringer did for me a few years ago). Using "said" doesn't dumb down a story to My Pet Goat levels, and avoiding penultimate for the sake of penultimate doesn't either.

    And to be blunt, making this out to be a case of intellectual haves vs. have nots is only a couple of steps removed from the most revelled of manhood-waving contests in Intraweb discourse: IQ comparisons.

    Oh, and Khartoum: 'tis not our job to appeal to OR to raise the lowest common denominator. Ours is to report the news, fairly, cleanly and accurately. Raising the LCD is a task for the teachers and the advocates. What we're here to do is report on what they do. If anyone wants to change the world, they should join the Peace Corps or find whatever outlet they need to rage against the machine. Not our calling -- at least not while we're on the clock.

    Finally, I see
    That I have interrupted
    A haiku-jack. Whoops.

    EDIT: And I unintentionally proved my point by misspelling pyrrhic victory. Got the pyrrhic right, messed up on the other word.
     
  8. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Stall a haiku-jack?
    A path of perniciousness
    Fraught with fraud and fail
     
  9. Chi City 81

    Chi City 81 Guest

    Amused, astounded.
    Khartoum returns to bitch-slap
    But Dools won't go down.
     
  10. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    That's not how I roll.
    Anything wrong with that? No.
    Just needs to be said.
     
  11. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    That haiku sounded
    like it was written by boots
    perish the bad thought
     
  12. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Keep it in PMs.
    You need to remain on topic.
    Have a nice (blank) day.
     
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