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Plain Dealer lawsuit

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by martygit, Dec 10, 2006.

  1. martygit

    martygit Member

    Junky is not missing the point. He doesn't want to see the point. To answer your points:

    1. Most of the women and African-American sportswriters are at the larger guild papers because hiring practices now allow them that opportunity. I don't blame them at all for pursuing such positions.

    5. My bankruptcy had NOTHING TO DO with the PD lawsuit. It was because I took a nine-month unpaid internship to become a nursing home administrator and hadn't made much money as a sportswriter because I was at a midsize.

    Yes, that internship and choice of career was stupid. I am thrilled that I am a writer again.

    3. If you read the work I posted, I believe you'll find it pretty good. If you don't, that's fine. It's all subjective. But I won more than 45 awards, including a few firsts by Associated Press. AP also voted me one of the top four feature writers in Ohio in 2001. I do think that says a lot.

    4. I hustled enough to beat the PD on most prep-related stories both papers covered in the late 1990s.

    2. The PD has a right to hire anyone they want and feel about me whatever they like. But they didn't care about my work. They weren't considering me for the reasons we've written about here. WHY CAN'T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL?

    6. Most newspapers hire the best candidate. Some have other criteria that leaves the best candidate on the outside looking in. I don't think that. I KNOW that.

    Lastly, sorry this wasn't in order...I had to keep going back to Junky's post that shows his mind is as open as some of the sports editors' we've written about.
     
  2. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    And I didn't say it always happened (literacy is a wonderful thing, sportswriter, not a junky; you should try it sometimes).
    I empathized with him and told my personal tale with it. I didn't say women and minorites always get hired, I didn't say the ratio was skewed.
    I told of my time, 16 years ago, when a sports editor told me that I didn't get a specific job because of minority hiring.

    As far as you're not seeing "all the women and minority" writers, it's apparent from your desire to read into something that isn't there -- at least in my example -- that you can't comprehend what you read. assfuck.
     
  3. ballscribe

    ballscribe Active Member

    The bottom line is that there are far more candidates than jobs these days.

    And the funny thing about those who are spurned, is that you NEVER hear them moan about another GUY getting a job instead of them, whom they considered not as well-qualified or as good.

    C'mon, this happens just as often. People hire for many different reasons. I firmly believe that a hirer knows if you're a "No", a "yes" or a "maybe" within a minute upon starting the interview. Sometimes you don't give off a good impression. Sometimes your personalities just don't click. Sometimes the guy doesn't like your particular writing style. Maybe you're dressed badly. Maybe your clips are creased. Maybe your hair is too long. Maybe you come in with an attitude. Maybe you were 5 minutes late.

    With so many "qualified" candidates out there for every job, there can be a dozen reasons why one particular candidate gets picked over others.

    Goshdurnit, so-called "minority hiring" is just one of so many issues.

    Although I guess it's the easiest one to cry "discrimination" on.
     
  4. slappy4428

    slappy4428 Active Member

    Actually, this "guy" they hired turned out to be OK in the position. Knew him, chatted with him, played basketball against him.
    My problem was not with him.

    My problem was with the sports editor who told me that I did not get the job because in that specific instance, I was the wrong color.
    Even if it was true, there are things you don't say. And the fact he did tell me (and the other failed finalist for that matter) WHY I didn't get it bothered me.
     
  5. Idaho

    Idaho Active Member

    Hello Romenesko readers!
     
  6. blondebomber

    blondebomber Member

    At the bigger papers. Where you clearly ain't, or else you would see them.
     
  7. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Why the snide remark, Mr/s. Snotty?
     
  8. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    You'll have to excuse BB. He/She is in a perpetual state of bitchiness.
     
  9. blondebomber

    blondebomber Member

    I was told by an ASE at a major paper that I was being considered for a desk job, but that the search might last six months or longer. Then he paused and said, but if a minority or female applies next week we will fill it immediately. I was 24 at the time and thought of myself as working for this paper someday. So I let it slide. I wish now that I hadn't.

    But to think it couldn't possibly happen than an editor would be so blatant about it, be my guest. I know that it happened to me.
     
  10. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    That's what I think, too. I feel for Marty having to stay in Cleveland... hey-- most of us have had to make sacrifices for either job or family... but in this job market, with all the layoffs, etc.... saying "Plain Dealer or nothing" seems akin to saying, "I want to be an actor in Hollywood-- but I'll only do feature films."

    And if I don't get parts in movies, I'll sue the studios.
     
  11. blondebomber

    blondebomber Member

    Why so touchy, Mr. Douchebag?

    I was being snide because the person I was writing to is an idiot who can't comprehend simple logic and keeps insisting there's no problem when, clearly, this person has no foundation to have such an opinion. Many, many major papers have women and minorities in prominent roles. But this dumbfuck doesn't see any where he works, so Marty Gitlin must be full of shit. Giv e mea break.
     
  12. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    No, fuckwad, it was my parents.
     
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