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Powerball

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Chef2, Jan 7, 2016.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    From a pyschological perspective, it might make sense for most people to take the annuity. An insane number of winners blow all of the money, so the annuity allows the typical person to take the usual bad financial advice, indulge all the long lost relatives that come out of the wood work, and go crazy buying stuff. ... and still insure that there are still 29 years worth of payments coming before they lose everything.

    But from a financial perspective, even with the fact that interest rates are finally positive (but still negative in real terms) at the moment, the 4 or 4.5 percent you are earning on that annuity is probably not going to be a very good deal over the next 30 years. Let's say inflation keeps raging or we go into a long late 1970s / 1980s period in which interest rates skyrocket, you'll have ended up better off taking it as a lump sum and rolling over fairly short-duration bonds. Even with where we are right now, just buying 2 year notes with the lump sum if you took it, you will be outearning their annuity (but you will owe more in taxes on the income you earn).
     
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  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You will need to give me a specific example for me to explain to you why you aren't having the same conversation I am. I'll try using a made up scenario, and hopefully I make sense.

    Let's say you are a sports bettor, and you take an extreme underdog on a +10000 moneyline bet. So you are betting $100 to win $10000. You're thinking that is the same thing. ... but it's not.

    In sports betting, the odds are designed to make up for the probability of a much better team winning. If it is an efficient line, those odds are compensating (with a $100 bet paying $10000) people for taking the team that has a much lower probability of winning, to persumably make the expected value on that $100 close to $100.

    So it's not the same thing. The reason that most people lose over time from betting on sports is that the bookie charges you for taking the bet -- let's say a 10 percent vig (it varies). So even though the odds conceptually equalize both sides of the bet, you end up betting $100 to win $90 over and over again after they take the vig.

    That said, that expected value on that $100 bet is still a much better proposition than that powerball game is.
     
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  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    So many people who play lotteries are older folks, so they take the lump sum on the grounds they might not be around for the full 30 years.
    I am of the opinion that while money is great stuff, and not having to worry about money a great blessing, having a billion dollars is more of a burden than a blessing. With a billion, you have to think about money almost all the time.
     
  4. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    I waste $3 on lots of shit.

    I don’t mind wasting $3 on a few hours of “man a billion dollars would be cool.”

    Now: The people who buy multiple tickets to “improve their odds”? Bless their hearts …
     
  5. Captain_Kirk

    Captain_Kirk Well-Known Member

    If it were me, I'd bet everything. But that's me, I'm an aggressive gambler, Mr. Vegas.


     
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  6. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    We spent $5 or $10, I believe. Worth the however many hours of "that would be cool" between when my wife bought them and her texting me that we didn't win. You're welcome, various school systems.
     
  7. Captain_Kirk

    Captain_Kirk Well-Known Member

    I benefited from 8 years of tuition free college for my two sons, thanks to the lottery. So, despite being a fairly regular small time player and nearly just as regular a loser, I would say I'm financially way, way ahead. And that's not even considering the fun and enjoyment that goes with playing the game.
     
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  8. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Lay a billion on me and let me see whether your hypothesis is correct.
     
  9. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    Before you give Doc a billion, we need a small scale experiment.

    Give me $20 million, and I’ll report back.
     
  10. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

  11. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    And the taxes....sheesh.
     
  12. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    I’ll bet you a billion dollars that you’re wrong.
     
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