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Pre-Super Tuesday Presidential poll

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Alma, Feb 26, 2020.

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Who is your pick for the 2020 Presidential election?

  1. Joe Biden

    29 vote(s)
    33.0%
  2. Michael Bloomberg

    6 vote(s)
    6.8%
  3. Pete Buttigieg

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  4. Amy Klobuchar

    3 vote(s)
    3.4%
  5. Bernie Sanders

    8 vote(s)
    9.1%
  6. Tom Steyer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Donald Trump

    7 vote(s)
    8.0%
  8. Elizabeth Warren

    23 vote(s)
    26.1%
  9. Other

    5 vote(s)
    5.7%
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  1. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Not so. Last Michigan poll, pre both Bloomberg and Warren dropping out, showed Biden leading Sanders by 7. Look, this is very simple. Sanders has no chance. None. He should also drop out, but he won't because he's a very very vain person.
     
  2. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I don't know about that if you are talking about Bernie. He needs to pile up some 70-30, 60-40 wins. And the polls I've seen of Wisconsin don't bode well.
     
  3. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    He may not have started out as a classic narcissist, but he's certainly become one.
     
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  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    That's correct.

    What scares the other side so much isn't just that the "great reforms" might suck; it's knowing that even if they do suck there's no going back. When you tear down a ridiculously complicated system and install another ridiculously complicated system in its place, the latter system is what you're going to be stuck with. Forever.

    Voters like knowing regardless what choice they make, there's a reset button available to push in four years.
     
  5. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    Interesting point.

     
  6. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    "Likeability" is not a great standard for electing a president. Resume and ideas should be far more important. Still, people tend to vote for people they find personally likeable.

    And that is one reason why Elizabeth Warren was always going to struggle.
     
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  7. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Perfectly encapsulates what Elizabeth Warren has become. She’s obviously knows someone’s gonna ask that in a week when three other candidates dropped out and had immediate endorsements, yet somehow manages to turn a most pertinent - and frankly inoccuous - question into an offense and grievance. It’s hard to respect, and it isn’t who she was 5 years ago.
     
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  8. SoloFlyer

    SoloFlyer Well-Known Member

    So much of politics is about marketing and education, which is why Sanders' campaign frustrates me so much. Not enough has been mentioned of how no one would pay a premium under Medicare For All, that you'd no longer have to switch insurances every time you lose a job. The focus should be on more granular information like that, the details that impact every single person, rather than the big picture cost. People hear that it's going cost X amount of dollars and they immediately think they're being taxed additionally instead of having their premiums replaced.
     
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  9. Tweener

    Tweener Well-Known Member

    Depends what polls you’re talking about. FiveThirtyEight, for example, has Sanders ahead by 10 points in Michigan and Ohio as of March 3. Sanders is up 17 points in Wisconsin on the same day.

    I’ve seen others where it’s closer and even Biden with a slight lead in Michigan and Wisconsin.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2020
  10. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Again, polls released on March 3 are useless. Because the samples were from before Super Tuesday. Not sure why this isn't registering.
     
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  11. SoloFlyer

    SoloFlyer Well-Known Member

    Except she's right.

    Yes, Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar all made endorsements right after dropping out. But others have not.

    Sanders has endorsements from the following 2020 Presidential Candidates: Gabbard, Gravel, Willliamson, and De Blasio.

    Biden has endorsements from Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Moulton, Ryan, Beto (and Beto has been out for months and just endorsed Biden Monday).

    That means Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Steve Bullock, John Delaney, Kristen Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, John Hickenlooper, Jay Inslee, Deval Patrick, Tom Steyer, Julian Castro, and Andrew Yang all have open endorsements.

    Where's the pressure on Yang, Steyer, Booker and Harris to endorse? What about Castro, who was willing to endorse Warren? Why isn't there pressure on him to switch to Sanders now?
     
  12. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Her endorsement actually matters a little bit.

    At any rate, a journalist is gonna ask that question upon getting an interview. Acting like an incredulous college coach who just can’t believe you’re asking about the quarterback’s four interceptions - it’s a team game! - is beneath her.

    She’s mad. That’s fine. But once you drop out, the topic isn’t how good of a president you would have been. It’s who, among the folks left, would be best.
     
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