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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Man, I tore up the school library as well as the public library. I even worked as a library aide in 3rd, 6th, and 11th grade. It meant that I got first shot at all new books plus I was very familiar with most of what was on the shelves, so I always had several more books in the queue. I devoured books year round.

    I was taught to read using phonics in the first grade, and by 2nd I was reading for pleasure in quantity. Once I discovered that the books with the little hydrogen atom and V2 rocket label were SF and fantasy I was all up in those. I got into the story collections very early, and the writers whose stories I liked sent me into the novels of Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Silverberg, Dickson and many other good writers.

    Did it get me a nerd label? Probably. Did I give a dry cat turd about it? Hell no.
     
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  2. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    How should kids think?

    Stories like this do not help endear teachers to parents.

    The Massive Effort to Change the Way Kids Are Taught to Read
     
  3. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    Here’s a question, “ hey parents how are YOU teaching your kids to read?”

    The problem with schools is the parents complaining inevitably are the ones who do the least to teach their kids. They leave it all to the teachers, then complain.
     
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  4. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

    Beschloss has Pence's historical precedent right here, pal:

     
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  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the New York City mayor, mandating that phonics-based instruction be re-introduced, sure does strike me as one of those Lazy Karen types.
     
  6. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    He only strikes me as the weirdest man alive.
     
  7. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    Living in Ft. Lee will do that to you.
     
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  8. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Now that there is one helluva compelling competition.
     
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  9. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    I have to side with Alma here, at least to some degree. I was taught to read using phonics in the early 1960's in Episcopal parochial school. I learned that if I didn't know a word, could not work out what it meant from context, or was not sure how to pronounce it, to go to the dictionary and look it up. I read well above grade level from then on. I never took any classes in education, but it is my belief that phonics is an invaluable tool for teaching reading skills.

    I'm not sure that I go along with attaching not using phonics to "being woke". I understand that Black English usage is informed by slang and non-standard usage, but Ebonics and pushing Black English in schools does those children no favors in terms of general learning or in the job market. That's been going on for a couple of decades, though, well before "woke" was a thing, more of a Black pride or nationalism thing to my eyes... but I'm an old White guy, so maybe that's just my perception.
     
  10. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    One thing about that Time article. ... The idea that the teachers were the reason for the curriculum change is coming from exactly one source, Kareem Weaver, who seems to be on a mission about this. Even the things in quotation marks are his characterizations of other teachers, such as "This seems dehumanizing, this is colonizing, this is the man telling us what to do."

    Was it really the teachers who somehow got the curriculum changed, and if so, how many teachers were saying things like that? Because intuitively, I know that teachers in crummy inner city school districts usually find their jobs frustrating because of the lack of results and the uphill battle they are fighting. So I find it difficult to believe that there was this mass movement, the way that article made it seem, that had THEM saying, "Gee, teaching phonics seems to work so well, we need to change it."

    How much input into curriculum, let alone being able to mandate a change in curriculum, do teachers in Oakland even have?
     
  12. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    I loved reading as a kid. I remember going to the school library and checking out "Chariots of the Gods" and was fascinated. What irks me the most is these questions about the offerings is marginalia, that's not how a kid goes off the deep end. Exposing them to the Communist Manifesto doesn't lead to a communist. Some of Marx's key thoughts remain with me nearly 40 years after I read it, yet I never once wanted to go to Cuba/China/USSR/Venezuela/Vietnam to put his words into action. Parents need to focus on the core issues, "how are you telling your kids education is important?", "do you inquire about what they are studying?" , "Do you more importantly, engage with them on what they are studying?? IMHO, that's the key to academic success, not what's on the last bookshelf of the library.
     
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