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President Biden: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Pro wrestling referees are more subtle than this judge.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati.../29/cannon-dearie-trump-documents-classified/
     
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  2. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Fuck it. Indict his ass and make her irrelevant.
     
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  3. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  4. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    There was a fire at ONE refinery. Haven't heard about any others. But yes, changing the seasonal mix is "routine." They do it twice a year, every freaking year, for decades. I would expect they also schedule regular, "routine" maintenance, like every other factory in the world does.

    And yes, there are a lot of factors involved. We're not getting stimulus checks. The Fed isn't cutting the prime rate. Etc., etc. And you know as well as I do that even if ABSOLUTELY NOTHING changed, or if demand changed very little, the price would not fall 30 cents overnight or 50-60 cents in 2-3 days.

    They'd play the old "has to go through the system" card. So don't be that guy and tell me otherwise. They're taking advantage of a set of circumstances to take some more profit.

    Nothing more, nothing less. And as is usual when it involves big oil, the consumer suffers.
     
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  5. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I have no idea where you live. But this has nothing to do with the seasonal blend changeover.

    On the west coast, it has been maintenance that they have to do every 3 to 5 years in order to pass inspection and it required rolling shutdowns that has severely curtailed refining capacity. They tried to time it to happen during low seasonal demand to minimize the impact. During the same period, there was a nasty fire at a BP refinery in Ohio (that killed a couple of people) and that has sent prices higher in the midwest.

    We have constrained refining capacity to begin with in this country. The refineries we do have need to operate at 90 percent capacity to keep the status quo. In parts of the country, they have been running at 81, 82 percent capacity. That has a dramatic effect on prices.
     
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  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    goin' great!

     
  8. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member



    This was in response to @garrow’s post about Ginni. The lyrics not included in the lyrics online, especially. Although they all apply.
     
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  9. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

    That nasty refinery fire sure doesn't appear to have impacted gas prices much in the midwest. Meanwhile, the west is getting screwed.

    It's also pretty much been a necessity, because we aren't building any new refining capacity due to regulation (extreme up front costs, and there is no guarantee that they won't outlaw your business tomorrow, so nobody is willing to invest)

    Yeah, heaven forbid an oil company should be forced to build a refinery that's safe and not a huge polluter of the air and water. Darn those regulations.

    And please, big oil is in absolutely no danger of being outlawed. Again, don't be that guy.
     
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  10. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    A friend worked at a large refinery in Philadelphia which burned a few years ago and was not rebuilt. Also, this country has spent the past few decades eliminating refining capacity for heavy crude (for diesel) and sells much of it to overseas buyers, one reason diesel is more expensive than regular gas.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, no effect from a major oil refinery shutting down due to a fire.

    Midwest Gasoline Prices Surge Following Deadly BP Refinery Fire
    BP-Husky Toledo Refinery fire impacting local gas prices | wtol.com
    https://www.cleveland19.com/2022/09/26/why-bp-refinery-fire-is-leading-increased-gas-prices/
    https://www.13abc.com/2022/09/26/why-bp-refinery-fire-is-leading-increased-gas-prices/


    Look, I am trying to tell you what has impacted prices, but if your default is to just argue that what is happening isn't happening and it's a conspiracy!. ... then I am wasting my time.
     
  12. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    The largest increase in those stories you linked was $.06 a gallon. That's a little different than 50-60 cents overnight, no, or 80 cents from earlier this month?

    It's not a conspiracy. That implies someone doing something in secret. This is just transparent profit taking. Plain and simple.

    And perhaps the right-wing talking point about having to drill more to prevent our "dependence on foreign oil!!!" would be more believable if we simply kept the oil we did drill here in-country, instead of refining it and then selling it overseas. Like used to be law until the oil lobby changed it several years ago.
     
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