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It means a lot.

 

Wasn't it he who proposed it? From August 2 ...

Ron DeSantis Accepts Gavin Newsom’s Challenge to Debate on Fox News

 

Go into the blue tent!

 

4 months later ... musta done forgot.

 

Just to be clear, lest I be cast into the gulag for the "especially Trump adjacent" (as with Dante's, there are nine levels) ... I didn't watch a second and don't care who "won."

 

That was before he was indicted. That was before he incited a riot at the U.S. Capitol. That was before abortion became such a motivating issue for Democrats.

 

Keep an eye on Sarah Huckabee Sanders. Her entire gubernatorial campaign and governing decisions have been in deference to Trumpism. Hell, she held more fundraisers at Mar-A-Lago than in Little Rock.

 

The percentage of people who voted for Biden in '20 and will switch to Trump in '24 simply because they made a few more trips around the sun has to be well to the right of the decimal point.
If you are a minority and vote for a group of people who are actively hostile toward you, then you deserve whatever you get if they happen to win.
The voters that Trump could mostly likely pick up is a bunch of mouth-breathing redneck boys who happened to turn 18 in the last couple of years, and most of them won't be bothered to actually go cast a ballot.

 

Lotta folks we thought wouldn't cast ballots in 2016, did.

If we're saying "it can't happen this time," we're making the same mistake Hillary Clinton made.

To your first point, I see lots of "this time, it counts!"-type voters sitting this one out. Of course this is also 11 months out.

I'm not jumping off a bridge in despair, but I do think some folks need to roll their confidence back a tad.

 

My confidence in the outcome of the election isn't a slam dunk. I was just pointing out that number of votes that might flip from Biden to Trump is small. Not too many people are going to say, "Well, I'm older so crime, ignorance, racism, sedition, and fascism sound pretty good now."

 

I can see a world where Haley is Trump's VP nom. As for any fretting over whether either would play ball, oh come on, the GOP IS Trump. They've all proven over and over and over again that they always cower and roll over. Every single time.

I can also see a world where at least some people would view Haley as a reason to soften their stance on voting for Trump. I can see them spin it that way. I can see them think, well, if Trump goes crazy again, we'll have a safe bet in Haley. I could see my dad, who voted for Obama and Biden, thinking such a thing. I could also see him thinking Manchin would be viable for his vote if there was a third party.

Is any of it enough, does any of it actually happen or move the needle? Who the hell knows? It's Dec. 1, 2023.

But I have also come to the point where, fuck it, if Trump is elected then yes, the country deserves whatever happens and what it gets. I'm sorry. I guess I'm defeated in that way.

 

Wasn't so much going at Driftwood as much as the conventional thinking in the Acela Corridor.

We're mostly rational sorts. We saw the bedlam of the Trump years and we're thinking, "there's no way this can happen again."