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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Alexander won't be in any kind of swing caucus. He's as sorry as they come. He all but got ill with me when I challenged him on Betsy DeVos. He licks the toadstool.
     
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  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Showing a tax return should not be a prerequisite for holding public office. The idea is pretty undemocratic.

    Even if they made it one, does that mean that someone who didn't file a tax return can't be an elected official?
     
  3. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    Disclosing financial entanglements should be a prerequisite for holding public office, and I recognize that tax returns might not be the best vehicle to do so.
     
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  4. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    There are already certain prerequisites to get on ballots, and there are requirements that have to be met for certain offices.
    If someone hasn't filed a tax return, doesn't that mean they have committed a federal crime? Maybe that's not the type of person we need holding high office. I know of county commissioners getting booted for not paying local property taxes.
    I guarantee if you go into some kind of job that involves money, your employer will look into your financial records to make sure you aren't majorly in debt. The people are the president's employer. We should know if he is in hock to foreign entities.
     
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  5. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    As I understand it: If you owe no additional tax, you don't actually have to file a federal return.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Define financial entanglements? Because everyone has a financial entanglement of some sort. You work a job for a salary. Someone could argue that is a financial entanglement.

    The real problem is that we have morphed into a system in which our government has been allowed to hijack large swaths of the economy. Because that creates an inherent lack of accountability, it means that we have gotten the inevitable. Graft and corruption. If there are limits on the offices themselves that don't allow them to hand out money and favors, the number of possible financial entanglements, as you put it, would be way reduced. At least from the mess we have created. But what someone earned money from before they are in office has no impact on what they may or may not do once they are in office. How many shitty politico types have never had a real and productive job, and therefore have no "financial entanglements" but stay in elected office by handing out favors to various special interests and industry groups in return for money and votes?

    I think it is perfectly legitimate for people to decide not to vote for someone like Donald Trump, before demanding that he transparently lay out any potential conflicts of interests. But if he doesn't lay it all out there, and people vote for him anyhow, that means they didn't care enough. People can make those decisions for themselves, and value it how THEY choose to.
     
  7. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    Mis-read your post .... going to reply again.
     
  8. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Not true
     
  9. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

  10. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Donald Trump couldn’t qualify and hold a job for a publicly traded company. He probably could not get a job on a non-scripted TV show including FoxNews.
    If 10% of the stuff about trump came out during the Apprentice, the show would have been cancelled.
     
  11. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    Incomes and liabilities.

    As a condition of my employment, I am certainly required to declare income and liabilities - especially those which originate in a foreign country - and my credit report is for sure getting pulled. Not sure why we don't demand the same from the chief executive.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    People can decide for themselves what they want a candidate to disclose before they vote for the person. That is the purpose of a vote in a democracy. As I said, it is perfectly legit for you personally to say, "You know what, if Donald Trump doesn't open the books for his business, I just can't vote for him." If enough people agreed with you, he wouldn't have been elected. That is how a democracy works. People didn't care enough. So he won. That is the way it should be. Adults can decide what they value in a candidate for themselves.

    Mandating private things and putting requirements on people to run for office actually can have all kinds of negative consequences. For example, requirements are often used to create barriers -- for getting into a profession, for voting, etc. Given how dirty our political system can be, it's likely those kinds of requirements would be used corruptly to try to limit who can and can't run for office.

    When it comes to a democracy, I am totally in favor of keeping it as simple as possible. If people want to know something from you as a candidate, and you won't answer their concerns. ... they don't have to vote for you.
     
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