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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Did Apple cite tariffs as the reason for the drop in sales in China?
     
  2. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

  3. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

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  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Markets are down because what Apple guided yesterday is the kind of news you get in bear markets. It is amazing that Apple said, "It was China" and stories regurgitate that today.

    Last year in the Holiday quarter, China accounted for $18 billion of revenue for Apple. Yesterday, Apple prepared everyone for an $8 billion shortfall in what they had previously guided. That in itself was incredible, because no company guides the way Apple does. They track every metric possible, from foot traffic in their stores to all kinds of trends to accurately forecast sales. In any case, that $8 billion shortfall is not all coming from China. I will guarantee you that Apple's sales are not going to be 45 percent down in China. It's just a nonsensical narrative.

    Apple is a hardware company. It tried to pass off hardware with a great, user friendly interface that was a selling point, for higher and higher margins and prices, while its competitors have had to remain much more cost competitive. As Apple products saturated markets around the world, and Apple kept raising prices, at a certain point, there weren't enough people in the developed markets buying those products, willing to make a new $800 purchase every 2 years for something that wasn't incrementally enough of an improvement. It is biting Apple in the ass. Apple needs a new product to justify where expectations had gotten. But iPhones ideas don't grow on trees.

    Really, the only reason Apple's stock price remained so elevated anyhow had nothing to do with its sales. This handwriting has been on the wall for a while that time was running out on them. But in a euphoric environment, in which cheap money was fueling a bubble, Apple becamethe king of stock buybacks, which has become the premier method of financial engineering to blow up stock prices in a cheap money environment. Apple went on a tear buying back hundreds of billions of dollars of its stock. You can't underestimate how much hundreds of billions of dollars of a buyer who doesn't care about actual value can do to drive up a price of something. Right now you are seeing what the end game of that was all along. Those companies will inevitably have wasted a lot of their owners' money way overpaying for their own stock. That money could have been used for research or investment to try to grow the business -- to flail away and try to find the next big product that could keep Apple growing. But in a distorted credit environment, coupled with a permanently depressed economy, the incentive was instead to create an artificially inflated stock price for short-term gain. At least in the case of Apple, the company has actual income, so the money it shitted away will not leave a ton of debt on its balance sheet. That can't be said for most other companies that have gone bonkers wasting money overpaying for their own stock as the bubble became a self fulfilling prophecy, and are going to be left mired in debt (with many defaults coming).

    The reason we are in a bear market is that central banks pumped in trillions of dollars of liquidity and created a credit bubble and a lot of very misallocated capital on the back of it, which we all will be paying for for years, unfortunately. They have now shifted to net removing that liquidity. We had years of quantitative easing, which pumped artificial liquidity into risk assets. We are now seeing just a small taste of what happens when they remove that liquidity -- in effect what quantitative tightening looks like. And this is with the smallest, most ginger amount of reversing it. Money is still free in real terms.
     
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  6. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    I guess if you spend literally a decade predicting imminent credit collapse, one has to come eventually and prove you right
     
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  7. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    We are not in a direct democracy. As we have seen, this is clearly a minority government, whose means, methods and policies are at odds with the majority of the population. trumpism may actually be the majority minority view. But since democracy is at odds with Republican policies, no one is protecting the rights of the majority. The actual vote would indicate the democrats would control all aspects of federal government.
    American is essentially run by 2 men, Donald trump and Mitch mccconnell.
     
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    heyabbott Well-Known Member

  9. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Given that trump has repeatedly said he loves debt, that he’s the king of debt and that bankruptcy overand over and over and over again is good for him I wager that he computes his worth as the inflated value of his properties plus an irrational value on his brand name and goodwill. And he doesn’t factor in debt. If he owned a million dollar home with a 1.1 million dollar mortgage, he would say he’s worth a million dollars. He’s a fraud.
     
  10. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    I've been an Apple fanboi for more than a decade now, and I work in an industry that is virtually 100% powered by Apple users.

    But my Macbook Pro is from July, 2015...my iPhone is the 6S Plus model...my iPad Mini is from 2016. And while I have the financial security to replace all three whenever I want, I love them all so much and their replacements are clearly inferior ($1,300 for a phone that has no headphone jack or air charging? WTF?) that I'm in no hurry to fork over more money to Apple.

    And clearly, I'm not alone in that. That said, I intend to replace the phone because I'm heading to two masterminds in my field over the next two months, and I can't afford to be judged by my cohort as being behind the times. And, again, clearly, I'm not alone in that, either.
     
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    US State Department just moved travel to China to "level 2" and recommends increased caution.
     
  12. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    In all fairness, everyone else would say he's worth a million dollars, and they would say that about themselves in the same situation.
     
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