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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    What's crazy about ignoring Wisconsin is that it wasn't like there were more than 10 states in play in 2016. OH, PA, MI, WI, FL, NH, NV pretty much decided it. Campaigns are art AND science. The big criticism of the Clinton campaign was they were so focused on the science of data etc., and were blinded by their loyalty to Clinton they just assumed people would come to their senses.
     
  2. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    I know Hillary hasn't listened to (and rightfully so) a single thing Bill has said to her since Jan. 20, 2001, but she needed to listen to him in 2016. He pleaded with her to get out there and she dismissed him.

    Say what you will about Bill Clinton, he knows people and he knew that campaign was not doing what it needed to do. It's like they took all the lessons the Obama team learned and distilled them into some awful version of it that took all the personality and human touch away.
     
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  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    They didn’t “ignore” Wisconsin. They tried to use surrogates because they had data that said she was unpopular there and visiting personally would make it worse.
     
  4. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    I listened to Favreau's The Wilderness podcast - I get it, Hillary isn't a natural campaigner, but if the job is important to you - you think you might want to learn how to be better - especially after losing the first time. For someone who thinks the media is out to get her, she sure seemed surprised to face such scrutiny on the second run and didn't have answers for obvious questions. Really odd. It's almost like once Trump won the GOP nomination, she stopped campaigning and just pointed to Trump and said "Really?!"
     
  5. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member

    It's shocking to me that that wasn't enough, and it's sad that Hillary's campaign didn't realize it before it was too late.

    "No. Seriously. The other choice is Donald Trump."
     
  6. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    The only reason I don’t think Schultz is a conservative plant is because a plant would at least pretend to be liberal sometimes.

    He is blatantly conservative in everything he says but keeps getting a liberal-appealing centrist because I guess Starbucks?
     
  7. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    To any candidate for which this would apply . . . you should not be a candidate.
     
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  8. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    If you have total confidence you're going to win a state while your data shows that the entire state hates your guts, you've got gigantic problems both as a candidate and a critical thinker.

    Bill told her this for months. She ignored him.
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  10. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

    It's amazing that calling an entire group of people "deplorables" and telling coal miners point blank she wanted to take their jobs away didn't work to her advantage.
     
  11. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    Came here to post about this.

    Evidence given by prosecutors to the defense team in the ongoing prosecution of a Russian troll farm accused of meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was altered and posted online as part of a “disinformation campaign” to discredit the Russia probe, special counsel Robert Mueller’s team alleged in a court filing Wednesday.

    “Certain non-sensitive discovery materials in the defense’s possession appear to have been altered and disseminated as part of a disinformation campaign aimed (apparently) at discrediting ongoing investigations into Russian interference in the U.S. political system,” prosecutors write in the filing.

    The allegation comes amid an ongoing dispute in the case over whether the defense team can ferry “sensitive material” obtained during discovery to its client in Russia.

    Mueller does not accuse defense counsel of involvement in the document release.

    Rather, the special counsel alleges that “non-sensitive discovery materials have been misused in a manner inconsistent with the terms of” a protective order that the judge issued in the case.

    Specifically, Mueller alleges that evidence provided to a Russian “legal company” made its way into a webpage containing more than 300,000 files. That information included “junk material” irrelevant to the case, Facebook memes allegedly produced by the Internet Research Agency, and actual documents provided by the special counsel in the course of the litigation.

    A Twitter account with the handle “@HackingRedstone” posted a link to the web portal containing the files in October.

    “Enjoy the reading!” the account tweeted.

    According to the filing, an unnamed individual also a Twitter DM to an unidentified journalist about the information on the same day that HackingRedstone appeared.

    That reporter then purportedly alerted the special counsel’s office to the breach. The webpage containing the files was deactivated “after a request from the government,” the filing states.

    The government links the use of the filing website back to Russia in a footnote.

    “A representative of the online file-sharing portal has confirmed to the FBI that the specific account used to publish the matching discovery materials was registered on October 19, 2018 by a user with an IP address that resolves to Russia,” prosecutors allege.​

    Mueller Alleges His Probe Was Targeted By Russia-Based Disinformation Effort
     
  12. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    She didn't "want" their jobs to go away. She knew they were going away (as proved true) and there was a need to retrain them for other fields.

    But that was a typical verbal misstep though.
     
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