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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

  2. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I'm happy to blame the Americans who hire them. They're exploiting them on purpose.

    Guess what? Make all those undocumented immigrants legal, and some number of them will get fired, too.
     
  3. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

  4. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Love it. But let's just underline that Marianne Williamson is koo-koo for Cocoa Puffs.
     
  5. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    For all that she’s getting shit on, Marianne Williamson isn’t wrong that we could use a little more love in the world — and our politics. She’s a little nutty and had no business on that stage, but she seems earnest in her beliefs. Sedona says hello.
     
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  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    She's getting shit on Twitter, mostly. That's a small segment of the population.
     
  7. SoloFlyer

    SoloFlyer Well-Known Member

    You seem like a sharp guy and I understand your overall perspective in this thread.

    But this is just way, way off. Yes, phones are cheap and entertainment can be had in your home for a few bucks. But rent has skyrocketed and since the poor don't have the funds for a downpayment on a home, they have to rent.
    Out Of Reach

    The federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour and less than half of all states offer a state minimum wage that is more than $10 per hour. When low wages are stagnant, entry level corporate wages are stagnant as well. Just look at the journalism industry. How many job postings have we seen here where the entry level journalism job is $25-30,000 per year? Pretty much all of them. What's worse is five years later, at many shops in the country, they're still making the same amount because there aren't any raises anymore.

    It's not just in journalism, either. Multiple studies have shown that the purchasing power for most Americans hasn't increased in a long time.
    For most Americans, real wages have barely budged for decades

    So we're making more than we were 20-30 years ago, but costs have risen and wages haven't matched that.

    Finally, the ACA may be in place, but it's been battered and stripped down so much that it's a shell of what it promised to be in the first couple years under Obama. Insurance companies continue to jack up rates and the current officeholders would rather it just disappear. That's why healthcare continues to be such a passionate topic.

    So, yes, phones may be cheaper and entertainment may be easily accessible, but none of that really matters when you're squeezing every last cent into rent and praying you don't get sick.
     
  8. garrow

    garrow Well-Known Member

    Suuuuuuure.

     
  9. DanielSimpsonDay

    DanielSimpsonDay Well-Known Member

  10. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    The problem with being poor in America is that it's America, and that, to be an American, you have to be all these other things as a consumer in order to feel like you belong. Society has become so siloed - we've broken down so many community bonds and truths in the name of postmodernism, progress and individualism - that one of the ways you feel like you can belong is by, well, spending money - even if it's money you don't have. What's owning a home if you can't fill it? What's having a car if you can't have experiences in it? What's having a TV unless you have 4 or 5 streaming services so you can see all the right shows? What's the point of drinking if it isn't the right craft cocktails? What's the point of a vacation if it can't be something that will impress your friends? So on and so on.

    Of course, the poor tend to have generational shame and humility, so their struggles never coalesce into much more than strife amongst one another. The secret of the poor is that even the poor thinks you're better than they are. They may believe it most of all. Somewhere deep down they often think the most untrue thing: That they got what they got and you got what you got because they're bad and you're good.

    That's why, if and when the progressive revolution Sanders talks about actually comes, it'll be the millennials and Gen Zers who grew up middle and upper-middle class, then burned their parents' wealth and have reached the end of their parents' constant approval. Real change takes an almost zealous sense of entitlement.
     
  11. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    People say that Limbaugh is a drug addict. Many people have said he’s a sexual deviant and worse. I don’t know. I’m not saying it, but people have said that Rush Limbaugh is a hebefile I don’t know what that means but they are saying it.
     
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  12. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    You sound like you've never met a poor person or been poor yourself. Generational shame about being poor? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
     
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